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Old 05-17-2019, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Checkers21 View Post
Seriously?
Seriously... the 3 years ago part, was more of an expression.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:14 AM
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I made about 190K gross in 2018 as an 11 year 747 Captain which included one open time trip of 4 days, and I earned every penny of it.

There were no upgrades this month. Many are going to find themselves stuck in the right seat for a long time.

I am a true Capitalist, but it seems immoral to me that 2 clowns can become wealthy beyond imagination while destroying a multi billion dollar company affecting 2000 pilots and families.

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Old 05-17-2019, 10:45 AM
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Shame on those p****s There’s no need for this excessive greed .
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:58 AM
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I'm telling you. You guys should be writing your congressional representatives and telling them how much less safe the troops are on Atlas because of the recent bout of incompetent hires and inadequately-trained hires. The lowering of standards has an effect, and you can predict to your Congressman that when the NTSB issues its final report on the Houston accident, it is going to raise serious questions about these issues. It shouldn't take 300 + dead troops for AMC to stand Atlas down or at least insist that it address the quality and training issue. It's a legitimate concern, and instead of doing ineffective crap like the union targeting Bezos with dumb banners, you guys can take individual action that might actually accomplish something. Me, I notice the over-ocean incidents, the bending of the aircraft at PSM, the dramatic reduction in OE requirements, a zillion anecdotal "Almosts", and Houston. The rising tide of this stuff is the canary in the coal mine, and for goodness' sake Atlas actually had a fatal hull loss. Fatal hull losses at Part 121 carriers are so rare that they are statistically-insignificant predictors of "safety" (i.e. you can't say, "Well, we've never had an actual accident." That can't be the standard.) But once you have one, it can indicate something very important.

And one other thought about Houston that is relevant here. We all know whose apparent conduct I am referring to, and I have been concerned by how the discussion about it has been framed. I think it's relevant to our discussion here that one could say that the person involved wasn't a bad person or pilot in any way, but one might say that in that moment, the person was in over that particular person's head and maybe with better training or more experience might have reacted differently (and of course maybe not), but that it's a fair deduction that maybe that person was not ready to be where they were on that day. And like I say, that's relevant to what we're discussing here.

If the generals are pushed into a serious reevaluation of Atlas as a contractor, it is going to have to take steps to address the issue. Way back when, I think I was a one-man band writing letters to try to get AMC to re-evaluate Tower. They finally did, and I'm sure my activities had almost nothing to do with it, but when they did they pulled the plug.

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Old 05-17-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
I'm telling you. You guys should be writing your congressional representatives and telling them how much less safe the troops are on Atlas because of the recent bout of incompetent hires and inadequately-trained hires. The lowering of standards has an effect, and you can predict to your Congressman that when the NTSB issues its final report on the Houston accident, it is going to raise serious questions about these issues. It shouldn't take 300 + dead troops for AMC to stand Atlas down or at least insist that it address the issue. It's a legitimate concern, and instead of doing ineffective crap like the union targeting Bezos with dumb banners, you guys can take individual action that might actually accomplish something. If the generals are pushed into a serious reevaluation of Atlas as a contractor, it is going to have to take steps to address the issue. Way back when, I think I was a one-man band writing letters to try to get AMC to re-evaluate Tower. They finally did, and I'm sure my activities had almost nothing to do with it, but when they did they pulled the plug.
I would support this, and I don't work at atlas. Push that flying back to the legacies.
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:22 AM
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Anyone that could PM who's been at Atlas less then 6 months. Thanks..
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
..I think I was a one-man band writing letters to try to get AMC to re-evaluate Tower. They finally did, and I'm sure my activities had almost nothing to do with it, but when they did they pulled the plug.
Which may be why Atlas folks are hesitant to be whistle blowers. If AMC pulls the plug the minimum result will be huge furloughs/downgrades at Atlas.

Perhaps a concerted effort via the Union's ProStans and Training Committee would produce a better product. After all, Atlas had to pass a DoD inspection to get the business in the first place.
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity View Post
I would support this, and I don't work at atlas. Push that flying back to the legacies.
Spoken like a true legacy pilot. If the legacies could provide the heavy cargo lift don't you think they'd do it?
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:47 PM
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I think this will be the near future for all ACMI carriers. Globally things are not looking good. This, I think, plays into the hands of Atlas Management. They possibly have the ability to shift more flying to AMZ to cover their leases. This will possibly force the union to take a concessionary contract due to mounting pressure from unrealistic new hire pilots. Plan to live on guarantee, and if you cannot, move to another segment of the market.

It is more important now that ever before to stand behind your Union. Atlas is staffed with what I see as the best management team out there regarding strategic operations. They seem to have an inside track on when to expand and when to pull back. They are a daunting task for the union negotiators in even good times. If things go globally bad.......

I have no dog in this fight but plenty of friends who do. Either get behind the union negotiators or get a new job. To do anything else will result in failure.
World air cargo traffic is forecast to grow 4.2 percent per year in the next 20 years. In terms of RTK growth, air freight, including express traffic, is projected to grow at a rate of 4.3 percent per year while airmail will grow at a slower pace, averaging 2 percent annual growth through 2037. Overall, world air cargo traffic will more than double in the next 20 years, expanding from 256 billion RTKs in 2017 to 584 billion RTKs in 2037.


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Old 05-17-2019, 02:17 PM
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Maxjet was talking “near future”, Goingaround was talking “next 20 years”. I think you’re both right.
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