Bezos in CVG
#21
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Heard that Bezooos’ ground breaking ceremony was a little staged. What would have made it cooler is if he CGI’d himself into the press conference.
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#22
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But some pilots are still dumb enough to show up for new hire class at Atlas and ABX even though there is no contract in sight for either carrier.
The big Amazon logo seems so appealing to some. Funny though that changes after a few 4 hour sits at 4 am and 5 years with out a new contract.
The big Amazon logo seems so appealing to some. Funny though that changes after a few 4 hour sits at 4 am and 5 years with out a new contract.
I think in 2 years they won't be able to staff anything... Even the 747.
#23
So here we have the richest guy in the world making an appearance at the groundbreaking ceremony for the 1.5 Billion Amazon hub in CVG , and nobody seems to be talking about it , let alone recognizing and appreciating the ramifications of this. Game changing ? Absolutely. FedEx / DHL / UPS should be worried.
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In the ever growing air freight market, there is room for Amazon to join UPS and FedEx without ruining the party. For those following closely, the scope and scale of what Amazon is trying to accomplish is nothing short of amazing. The only thing that threatens stopping this freight train will be the U.S. Government and the Sherman Anti-trust Act.
#25
In the ever growing air freight market, there is room for Amazon to join UPS and FedEx without ruining the party. For those following closely, the scope and scale of what Amazon is trying to accomplish is nothing short of amazing. The only thing that threatens stopping this freight train will be the U.S. Government and the Sherman Anti-trust Act.
Walmart is going head to head with Amazon. Walmart has been way up and beat sales forecast and the market's expectations where Amazon is sort of at a peak and has slowed. I am not an Amazon subscriber but I increasingly and anecdotally hear people say "Amazon isn't the cheapest anymore" ... there's also a lot of people saying they need to get Prime deliveries on time before they start committing to one day shipping. In short, Walmart is rapidly becoming more like Amazon, and Amazon is rapidly becoming more like Walmart. So why should FedEx be worried? I don't know.
E-commerce makes up only 12% of the total logistics in the world. Amazon, in the USA, makes up half of that, but not worldwide. FedEx's largest customer makes up no more than 3% of revenue. Amazon, per Fred Smith's admission is only 1.3% of FedEx's revenue. Yet, FedEx is growing because the increase in not only from its core businesses but also in the growing e-commerce sector (not from Amazon).
Amazon leasing some planes doesn't seem to be a threat to Fedex when you start to understand what FedEx is hauling and what Amazon is hauling. However, should Amazon start wanting to deliver other companies and other peoples' goods/freight/cargo (not Amazon boxes), that could be an issue. But why would they want to do that? To subsidize their own costs? Perhaps. They're already having trouble moving their own goods. Why take on the burden to move others' stuff at risk or slowing or disrupting your core business?
Additionally, Amazon's leasing of airplanes from multiple companies who have extreme labor and contract issues doesn't exactly describe an efficient and on-time operation. If they can't fill the cockpits now, how can they expect to fill 60 more planes?
#26
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As an employee of FedEx Express, I would be a liar if I said Amazon's decision to start moving their own goods doesn't concern me. However, allow me to be the naysayer. I don't believe anything Amazon is doing is anything "short of amazing." How so?
Walmart is going head to head with Amazon. Walmart has been way up and beat sales forecast and the market's expectations where Amazon is sort of at a peak and has slowed. I am not an Amazon subscriber but I increasingly and anecdotally hear people say "Amazon isn't the cheapest anymore" ... there's also a lot of people saying they need to get Prime deliveries on time before they start committing to one day shipping. In short, Walmart is rapidly becoming more like Amazon, and Amazon is rapidly becoming more like Walmart. So why should FedEx be worried? I don't know.
E-commerce makes up only 12% of the total logistics in the world. Amazon, in the USA, makes up half of that, but not worldwide. FedEx's largest customer makes up no more than 3% of revenue. Amazon, per Fred Smith's admission is only 1.3% of FedEx's revenue. Yet, FedEx is growing because the increase in not only from its core businesses but also in the growing e-commerce sector (not from Amazon).
Amazon leasing some planes doesn't seem to be a threat to Fedex when you start to understand what FedEx is hauling and what Amazon is hauling. However, should Amazon start wanting to deliver other companies and other peoples' goods/freight/cargo (not Amazon boxes), that could be an issue. But why would they want to do that? To subsidize their own costs? Perhaps. They're already having trouble moving their own goods. Why take on the burden to move others' stuff at risk or slowing or disrupting your core business?
Additionally, Amazon's leasing of airplanes from multiple companies who have extreme labor and contract issues doesn't exactly describe an efficient and on-time operation. If they can't fill the cockpits now, how can they expect to fill 60 more planes?
Walmart is going head to head with Amazon. Walmart has been way up and beat sales forecast and the market's expectations where Amazon is sort of at a peak and has slowed. I am not an Amazon subscriber but I increasingly and anecdotally hear people say "Amazon isn't the cheapest anymore" ... there's also a lot of people saying they need to get Prime deliveries on time before they start committing to one day shipping. In short, Walmart is rapidly becoming more like Amazon, and Amazon is rapidly becoming more like Walmart. So why should FedEx be worried? I don't know.
E-commerce makes up only 12% of the total logistics in the world. Amazon, in the USA, makes up half of that, but not worldwide. FedEx's largest customer makes up no more than 3% of revenue. Amazon, per Fred Smith's admission is only 1.3% of FedEx's revenue. Yet, FedEx is growing because the increase in not only from its core businesses but also in the growing e-commerce sector (not from Amazon).
Amazon leasing some planes doesn't seem to be a threat to Fedex when you start to understand what FedEx is hauling and what Amazon is hauling. However, should Amazon start wanting to deliver other companies and other peoples' goods/freight/cargo (not Amazon boxes), that could be an issue. But why would they want to do that? To subsidize their own costs? Perhaps. They're already having trouble moving their own goods. Why take on the burden to move others' stuff at risk or slowing or disrupting your core business?
Additionally, Amazon's leasing of airplanes from multiple companies who have extreme labor and contract issues doesn't exactly describe an efficient and on-time operation. If they can't fill the cockpits now, how can they expect to fill 60 more planes?
To be honest, Bezos would do better to just buy FedEx or UPS but he is insistent on going with Prime Air... He's gonna have decades of growing pains even if he does pay his labor.
Agree 100%.
#27
Maybe PrimeAir will be a number of different air carriers that are purchased by Amazon, and various existing ground carriers working with Amazon, like DHL is now.
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And that sir.... is exactly what is going to stop Bezos right in his tracks. The government will never let him build a controlling stake in the logistical engine that drives Americana.
Amazon doesn’t have far to go before regulators step in. He’s free to deliver his own packages, but he won’t put FedEx or UPS out of business by taking their customers.
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#29
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And that sir.... is exactly what is going to stop Bezos right in his tracks. The government will never let him build a controlling stake in the logistical engine that drives Americana.
Amazon doesn’t have far to go before regulators step in. He’s free to deliver his own packages, but he won’t put FedEx or UPS out of business by taking their customers.
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Amazon doesn’t have far to go before regulators step in. He’s free to deliver his own packages, but he won’t put FedEx or UPS out of business by taking their customers.
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Giving pilots the warehouse treatment can end up with disasterous results.
#30
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As an employee of FedEx Express, I would be a liar if I said Amazon's decision to start moving their own goods doesn't concern me. However, allow me to be the naysayer. I don't believe anything Amazon is doing is anything "short of amazing." How so?
Walmart is going head to head with Amazon. Walmart has been way up and beat sales forecast and the market's expectations where Amazon is sort of at a peak and has slowed. I am not an Amazon subscriber but I increasingly and anecdotally hear people say "Amazon isn't the cheapest anymore" ... there's also a lot of people saying they need to get Prime deliveries on time before they start committing to one day shipping. In short, Walmart is rapidly becoming more like Amazon, and Amazon is rapidly becoming more like Walmart. So why should FedEx be worried? I don't know.
E-commerce makes up only 12% of the total logistics in the world. Amazon, in the USA, makes up half of that, but not worldwide. FedEx's largest customer makes up no more than 3% of revenue. Amazon, per Fred Smith's admission is only 1.3% of FedEx's revenue. Yet, FedEx is growing because the increase in not only from its core businesses but also in the growing e-commerce sector (not from Amazon).
Amazon leasing some planes doesn't seem to be a threat to Fedex when you start to understand what FedEx is hauling and what Amazon is hauling. However, should Amazon start wanting to deliver other companies and other peoples' goods/freight/cargo (not Amazon boxes), that could be an issue. But why would they want to do that? To subsidize their own costs? Perhaps. They're already having trouble moving their own goods. Why take on the burden to move others' stuff at risk or slowing or disrupting your core business?
Additionally, Amazon's leasing of airplanes from multiple companies who have extreme labor and contract issues doesn't exactly describe an efficient and on-time operation. If they can't fill the cockpits now, how can they expect to fill 60 more planes?
Walmart is going head to head with Amazon. Walmart has been way up and beat sales forecast and the market's expectations where Amazon is sort of at a peak and has slowed. I am not an Amazon subscriber but I increasingly and anecdotally hear people say "Amazon isn't the cheapest anymore" ... there's also a lot of people saying they need to get Prime deliveries on time before they start committing to one day shipping. In short, Walmart is rapidly becoming more like Amazon, and Amazon is rapidly becoming more like Walmart. So why should FedEx be worried? I don't know.
E-commerce makes up only 12% of the total logistics in the world. Amazon, in the USA, makes up half of that, but not worldwide. FedEx's largest customer makes up no more than 3% of revenue. Amazon, per Fred Smith's admission is only 1.3% of FedEx's revenue. Yet, FedEx is growing because the increase in not only from its core businesses but also in the growing e-commerce sector (not from Amazon).
Amazon leasing some planes doesn't seem to be a threat to Fedex when you start to understand what FedEx is hauling and what Amazon is hauling. However, should Amazon start wanting to deliver other companies and other peoples' goods/freight/cargo (not Amazon boxes), that could be an issue. But why would they want to do that? To subsidize their own costs? Perhaps. They're already having trouble moving their own goods. Why take on the burden to move others' stuff at risk or slowing or disrupting your core business?
Additionally, Amazon's leasing of airplanes from multiple companies who have extreme labor and contract issues doesn't exactly describe an efficient and on-time operation. If they can't fill the cockpits now, how can they expect to fill 60 more planes?
I do have a concern though with how they treat labor. Seeing some of the posts here regarding pay for pilots is concerning. The carriers for Amazon are driving down the industry.
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