Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville

The Atlas pilot group is on the righteous path and there is nothing that will stop us from winning at this point.

Originally Posted by scrupulous

Actually there was going to be a vote but it didn't happen. There were 7 guys running for 5 positions so a couple of guys were going to possibly get knocked out. The E-Board at the last minute approved an increase of our ExCo to 7 seats so no vote was taken. I had some hope of some representation instead of FUPM representation, but they circled the wagons quickly when they saw their gravy train threatened by the flight pay loss amendment which they have yet to comply with.



Unfortunately, we do. With the removal of the union web forums in which the ExCo had limited control over and ultimately removed by the 1224 President (Atlas dude). 1224 had real terms of service and legit postings according to those terms. The ExCo and Pres wanted total control of the memberships narrative like they do on the unofficial union Facebook site GC_Comms as a completely moderated controlled environment.



No they didn't, but it is in the bylaws (Section 13 (B) (1-4)) and allowed although it took months for the ExCo to finally tone the BS down and not be misleading on the how and what of what was really going to take place. BK acted like he was emperor for life on crew calls but has toned it down to only slightly embellished reality finally. I don't remember for certain, but I think that section was an amendment like the Flight Pay Loss amendment in the early days of us joining 1224.

Having said this, this ExCo has spent another record amount as every year they had the reigns on flight pay loss. $1.76 million in 2018 per the LM-2 reported (in pdf) in March 2019. That is more than $500K more than the prior year, but this ExCo has made a record expenditure EVERY year they have been in charge on FPL. Multiples over every administration prior to them. You can find each 1224 carriers expenditures by searching the parent carrier who gets paid by the union for flight pay loss.

I appreciate everyone sending me copies of the ongoing violations of the FPL amendment and our original FPL LOA in our CBA. It certainly confirms that the ExCo has thumbed their noses at the bylaw amendment and the majority that voted for it at 1224 by continuing their past practice vs compliance with the FPL. Unfortunately, it will probably be quicker to vote new guys in vs the usually slow internal process for violations as exampled by the Ohio Conference (in PDF) and Local 747 (in pdf) violations.
I think the Pres position is up this year and the ExCo in about a year and a half. Lets hope persons of character will step up this time.

Originally Posted by fr8ghtdawg

Is it true that the ATLAS EXCO Chair is being kept on after retirement with a very high compensation package paid for by his pilot group?
Why is this needed when ATLAS is probably years from a TA?
There was never any thought given to his replacement?
Seems odd that they would pay a guy that will not have any long term influence more then adding attorneys that would.
Also, did the Crewmembers get a say in this?

Originally Posted by Elevation

Wait a second. You asked if a fact was true earlier. Now you're posting information that you have access to, meaning you already have access to union emails, etc. So what's the deal here? Are you asking legitimate questions (and FPL, conflict of interest, etc. are legit concerns) or are you just posting rhetorical bait for us bite at?

So what questions do you want answered? What statements would you like to make?

Originally Posted by scrupulous

Having said this, this ExCo has spent another record amount as every year they had the reigns on flight pay loss. $1.76 million in 2018 per the LM-2 reported (in pdf) in March 2019. That is more than $500K more than the prior year, but this ExCo has made a record expenditure EVERY year they have been in charge on FPL. Multiples over every administration prior to them. You can find each 1224 carriers expenditures by searching the parent carrier who gets paid by the union for flight pay loss.


Does everyone realize that this equates to over 15 767 captains on flight pay loss for an entire year? What has come out of this MASSIVE expenditure that has made anyones life better?

Originally Posted by fr8ghtdawg

When negotiations began Management wanted to Merge Atlas and Southern's contract.... Not negotiate a new one. Right now Management has put Southern on Atlas's contract and anything in the future will start there even if the Union loses all court cases.

So you want to ask what have the pilot's gotten for their money?

Southern's Retirement - 0% Contribution into a 401k (ZERO Retirement)
Southern's Days of Service - 20 Days a Month
Southern's Vacation - 5 days off of a 20 Day Month
Southern's Duty Day - 28 hours
Southern's Trip Rig - 0 Hours a Day
Southern's Guarantee - 60 Hours a Month
Southern's Pay Rates - I'm not sure what it was but I want to say it was something like $140 an hour for a 12 year Captain.
Take that and put a 5 year deal on it starting September of 2017 and in 2022 they can just buy Amerijet and start it all over again.

I know I'm leaving some things out but apparently you are cool with simply averaging all of that with your current contract and calling it a day so that you can save 1% in Union Dues... Personally I can see what you got out of it. It's really sad that your management thinks that paying pilots that is a good idea.