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Old 05-19-2019, 08:47 AM
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Is it true that the ATLAS EXCO Chair is being kept on after retirement with a very high compensation package paid for by his pilot group?
Why is this needed when ATLAS is probably years from a TA?
There was never any thought given to his replacement?
Seems odd that they would pay a guy that will not have any long term influence more then adding attorneys that would.
Also, did the Crewmembers get a say in this?
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:31 AM
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The crew did have a say in it... He ran unopposed in the last election.
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Good to hear. Purchase can't be too happy.
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Old 05-19-2019, 03:36 PM
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Yes, he is staying on until the end of his term (sometime in 2020) and being paid at his current seat rate at 85 hours per month. Not a big deal since he works 30 or 31 days a month. And if we get a new CBA his new rate goes to whatever the new rate will be for his seat and longevity. So can the BS about "no incentive to get us a new contract." This whole "union getting rich" on the backs of us poor pilots thing is just such nonsense. Did we really need another thread for this?
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I'm definitely not leaning one way or the other in the co/union debate. I've heard the rhetoric from both sides and find myself somewhere in the middle. That being said I had a chance to meet BK on a layover and it was a true goal of his to get a new CBA out to the membership to vote on before he retired. Was it surprising to some he was kept on, sure. But his goals are clear and I think support of that is the main issue at hand.
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Sure does not look as if the rank and file had any say if they think BK is worth $500,000 of their dues money over the next 1.5 years.
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Old 05-19-2019, 07:01 PM
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There are a lot of legitimate concerns, but the exco's decision has been made. There are legitimate worries about how people get elected onto the exco and how some seats were awarded recently. Still this happened more or less in line with procedures we've all accepted.

I'd also point out that BK stepped down from his check airman position due to conflict of interest. I honestly wish more people would do the same.

This leads me to another, more pressing concern which nobody's really talking about: conflict of interest.

From important committee chairs all the way up to the very top, we have a large number of our union leaders that also hold positions within training and standards. Ultimately, one of our vital functions is to provide a check on training and standards when things go awry. This applies to a number of committees. While we can cite examples where we've done this, I can cite some where we haven't. Moreover, with a crash investigation ongoing and no corrective action announced whatsoever the numbers of us joining the training department are increasing.

It's naive to think that members who are becoming company instructors will also be able to sit across a table from the fleet managers, VP of flight ops, etc. and speak truth to power. The individuals going through instructor training are top-notch. I like and respect these guys, but they are still human. This is a good way to quietly break our backs following a fatal hull-loss.

The individual incentives to address conflicts of interest just aren't there. BK recognized this and did something about it.

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Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
Sure does not look as if the rank and file had any say if they think BK is worth $500,000 of their dues money over the next 1.5 years.
Rather embarrassing that you can not even accomplish basic math. Why don't you hap-hazardously add another ten zeros to your figure so you can further your invalid point?

The pilot group voted him and the rest of his team in for a three year term. Consistent with the bylaws, he will serve his three year term under the same terms and conditions he was voted in on. Unlike some pilots posting here that live paycheck to paycheck, it does not take money to motivate Bob to get a new CBA, he is all set in that department.

The Atlas pilot group is on the righteous path and there is nothing that will stop us from winning at this point.

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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
The crew did have a say in it... He ran unopposed in the last election.
Actually there was going to be a vote but it didn't happen. There were 7 guys running for 5 positions so a couple of guys were going to possibly get knocked out. The E-Board at the last minute approved an increase of our ExCo to 7 seats so no vote was taken. I had some hope of some representation instead of FUPM representation, but they circled the wagons quickly when they saw their gravy train threatened by the flight pay loss amendment which they have yet to comply with.

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Did we really need another thread for this?
Unfortunately, we do. With the removal of the union web forums in which the ExCo had limited control over and ultimately removed by the 1224 President (Atlas dude). 1224 had real terms of service and legit postings according to those terms. The ExCo and Pres wanted total control of the memberships narrative like they do on the unofficial union Facebook site GC_Comms as a completely moderated controlled environment.

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Sure does not look as if the rank and file had any say if they think BK is worth $500,000 of their dues money over the next 1.5 years.
No they didn't, but it is in the bylaws (Section 13 (B) (1-4)) and allowed although it took months for the ExCo to finally tone the BS down and not be misleading on the how and what of what was really going to take place. BK acted like he was emperor for life on crew calls but has toned it down to only slightly embellished reality finally. I don't remember for certain, but I think that section was an amendment like the Flight Pay Loss amendment in the early days of us joining 1224.

Having said this, this ExCo has spent another record amount as every year they had the reigns on flight pay loss. $1.76 million in 2018 per the LM-2 reported (in pdf) in March 2019. That is more than $500K more than the prior year, but this ExCo has made a record expenditure EVERY year they have been in charge on FPL. Multiples over every administration prior to them. You can find each 1224 carriers expenditures by searching the parent carrier who gets paid by the union for flight pay loss.

I appreciate everyone sending me copies of the ongoing violations of the FPL amendment and our original FPL LOA in our CBA. It certainly confirms that the ExCo has thumbed their noses at the bylaw amendment and the majority that voted for it at 1224 by continuing their past practice vs compliance with the FPL. Unfortunately, it will probably be quicker to vote new guys in vs the usually slow internal process for violations as exampled by the Ohio Conference (in PDF) and Local 747 (in pdf) violations.
I think the Pres position is up this year and the ExCo in about a year and a half. Lets hope persons of character will step up this time.
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Originally Posted by scrupulous View Post
Actually there was going to be a vote but it didn't happen. There were 7 guys running for 5 positions so a couple of guys were going to possibly get knocked out. The E-Board at the last minute approved an increase of our ExCo to 7 seats so no vote was taken. I had some hope of some representation instead of FUPM representation, but they circled the wagons quickly when they saw their gravy train threatened by the flight pay loss amendment which they have yet to comply with.



Unfortunately, we do. With the removal of the union web forums in which the ExCo had limited control over and ultimately removed by the 1224 President (Atlas dude). 1224 had real terms of service and legit postings according to those terms. The ExCo and Pres wanted total control of the memberships narrative like they do on the unofficial union Facebook site GC_Comms as a completely moderated controlled environment.



No they didn't, but it is in the bylaws (Section 13 (B) (1-4)) and allowed although it took months for the ExCo to finally tone the BS down and not be misleading on the how and what of what was really going to take place. BK acted like he was emperor for life on crew calls but has toned it down to only slightly embellished reality finally. I don't remember for certain, but I think that section was an amendment like the Flight Pay Loss amendment in the early days of us joining 1224.

Having said this, this ExCo has spent another record amount as every year they had the reigns on flight pay loss. $1.76 million in 2018 per the LM-2 reported (in pdf) in March 2019. That is more than $500K more than the prior year, but this ExCo has made a record expenditure EVERY year they have been in charge on FPL. Multiples over every administration prior to them. You can find each 1224 carriers expenditures by searching the parent carrier who gets paid by the union for flight pay loss.

I appreciate everyone sending me copies of the ongoing violations of the FPL amendment and our original FPL LOA in our CBA. It certainly confirms that the ExCo has thumbed their noses at the bylaw amendment and the majority that voted for it at 1224 by continuing their past practice vs compliance with the FPL. Unfortunately, it will probably be quicker to vote new guys in vs the usually slow internal process for violations as exampled by the Ohio Conference (in PDF) and Local 747 (in pdf) violations.
I think the Pres position is up this year and the ExCo in about a year and a half. Lets hope persons of character will step up this time.
How disappointing. Just after I receive reports from the top and began to think there is hope for you...you post this baseless garbage. You have a decade left. You should really consider how this will play out for you with the pilot group when we win and you have a decade of explaining why you supported the losing side.
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