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Old 05-26-2019, 10:12 AM   #21  
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People talk line all you need is a degree and a pulse and you will automatically get into a legacy carrier. There are a lot of good, personable, educated pilots here at Atlas with clean records who haven't made it onward yet. 80% of my new hire class is still here. So while hiring is great, the are no guarantees.

Worst case scenario you go to PSA and wind up at A A at 42 years old. That gives you 23 years at American. You can still apply to be a street hire for the entire time that you wait to flow.
This is very true. I have a bachelors degree, 1800 hrs turbine 121, no PIC, clean record, 2 job fairs and can’t get any phone calls not even LCCs carries, which is the reason why I came to Atlas. Now I regret my decision because I could have stayed at my regional, upgrade and get some PIC but is too late. That’s why I found my self in this “dilemma”, trying to decide between Atlas or a regional airline with a guarantee path to a legacy.
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This is very true. I have a bachelors degree, 1800 hrs turbine 121, no PIC, clean record, 2 job fairs and can’t get any phone calls not even LCCs carries, which is the reason why I came to Atlas. Now I regret my decision because I could have stayed at my regional, upgrade and get some PIC but is too late. That’s why I found my self in this “dilemma”, trying to decide between Atlas or a regional airline with a guarantee path to a legacy.
You could’ve asked the question on APC before you came to Atlas and avoided the whole headache, you know? I’m sure you did your research on Atlas beforehand, right? I promise I won’t say “I told you so”.
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You could’ve asked the question on APC before you came to Atlas and avoided the whole headache, you know? I’m sure you did your research on Atlas beforehand, right? I promise I won’t say “I told you so”.
Can any of us say there's a career move we wouldn't have done differently?
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Old 05-26-2019, 03:22 PM   #24  
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You won't flow from PSA in 5-7 years. 10-12 more likely.
If you believe the retirement numbers on AA’s APF’s listing here, roughly half of their 15k pilots have mandatory retirements between now and 2027. I’m no expert but I bet OP has a decent chance at getting over to AA as a private hire in less time than a PSA flow. Just my $0.02, and my aviation advice is worth what you pay for it...
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Is crazy how we’re comparing a wide body operator to a regional airline 😏
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I have a bachelors degree, 1800 hrs turbine 121, no PIC, clean record
Unfortunately, not really impressive resume for a LCC.
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Unfortunately, not really impressive resume for a LCC.
Yeah, didn't want to go there, but got hired at an LOC with 4000hrs TPIC, and was the least qualified in my class (2013).
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I’ve had an interesting career and my experience may help you make a decision. I started at a 135 flying twin engine pistons. I got 1000 multi time and then went to a 121 cargo airline flying ATR’s. I upgraded at my first chance and I got my 1000 pic turbine in 2011, but wasn’t competitive. I was only flying 300 hours a year which wasn’t helping. I went to another 121 airline which was an IBT1224 charter airline to fly 737’s as an FO and got to see the world. I would have upgraded in less than 5 years on the 737 had I stayed, but I wasn’t happy and had thought the experience would open doors but it didn’t seem to help. I got 1000 hr SIC B737 time before I left. A mentor said I really needed 1000 JET PIC 121 airline experience to be competitive. A friend recommended PSA to me in 2015 and said I’d be able to upgrade immediately with my hours. When I got the offer at PSA, Atlas came a knocking but looking at QOL and upgrade time I picked PSA.

I got the upgrade award at PSA while in still in new hire basic indoc. For me the flow was looking at 6.8 years, but a spreadsheet with the average attrition and the flow a new hire today is looking at probably 8.5 years to flow, with nothing changing in the industry.

When I was trying to make the decision between Atlas and PSA I had a new born and a 17 day trip with Atlas wasn’t going to work for us. Everyone’s needs are different but I was in my early 30’s with a family and felt like the low annual hours at Atlas and time away from family wasn’t worth it. I wanted jet pic as quick as possible. I’m glad I picked PSA because I’m now at a major airline and didn’t make it through any flow agreement, I did it on my own. Good luck with the decision!
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If you believe the retirement numbers on AA’s APF’s listing here, roughly half of their 15k pilots have mandatory retirements between now and 2027. I’m no expert but I bet OP has a decent chance at getting over to AA as a private hire in less time than a PSA flow. Just my $0.02, and my aviation advice is worth what you pay for it...
Yep, I was hired outside the flow in 3 years.
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Yep, I was hired outside the flow in 3 years.
Thanks for the advice redbaronahp. Do you have a military background?
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