Kalitta 777’s
06-21-2019, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
A huge part of ETOPS is the original design criteria of the aircraft and its components. On top of that is the increased maintenance surveillance, inspection, and replacement of critical parts. The statistical odds of shutting down a GE90 are much, much lower than any of the engines powering a B744. During the certification of the B777-300ER Boeing supposedly climbed to altitude after takeoff from KPAE, shutdown an engine, and then flew across the Pacific to Naritta single engine.
In 9+ years of flying the 777 Southern has only 1 engine shutdown. It was an engine that was already on a watch due to the engine monitoring program and it almost made it to the allowed cycles. It was shutdown during the climbout and the aircraft returned to KLAX.
You will find that ETOPS from a pilot perspective is pretty straightforward. You make sure the aircraft is legal to dispatch, the route is within the approved diversion airspace, and the alternates are legal. Prior to entering ETOPS Dispatch double checks the alternate weather/notams and 99% of the time nothing has changed. You enter the ETOPS portion knowing if you do have a problem that you have an almost guaranteed alternate to divert to if there is not a closer/better option. That’s it. ETOPS groundschool over.
In 9+ years of flying the 777 Southern has only 1 engine shutdown. It was an engine that was already on a watch due to the engine monitoring program and it almost made it to the allowed cycles. It was shutdown during the climbout and the aircraft returned to KLAX.
You will find that ETOPS from a pilot perspective is pretty straightforward. You make sure the aircraft is legal to dispatch, the route is within the approved diversion airspace, and the alternates are legal. Prior to entering ETOPS Dispatch double checks the alternate weather/notams and 99% of the time nothing has changed. You enter the ETOPS portion knowing if you do have a problem that you have an almost guaranteed alternate to divert to if there is not a closer/better option. That’s it. ETOPS groundschool over.
06-21-2019, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Who cares about the engines, how about the crew rest area on a long flight? 747 can't be beat.
You guys getting a Flag certificate? Definite advantages for the company to have it if flying for DHL.
06-21-2019, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
Same bunks just stacked instead of separate. The plane will fly 20hr+ with full tanks. 😲
You guys getting a Flag certificate? Definite advantages for the company to have it if flying for DHL.
You guys getting a Flag certificate? Definite advantages for the company to have it if flying for DHL.
06-23-2019, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Rumored to be the case but heard nothing official.
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...
06-24-2019, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ocskyguy
Not likely. The conversion to flag means 117 rules. Would make our lives pretty different. No more 16 straight and go home, unless you want to never break guarantee.
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...
06-24-2019, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
In 9+ years of flying the 777 Southern has only 1 engine shutdown. It was an engine that was already on a watch due to the engine monitoring program and it almost made it to the allowed cycles. It was shutdown during the climbout and the aircraft returned to KLAX.
06-24-2019, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdsmash
... The statistical odds of shutting down a GE90 are much, much lower than any of the engines powering a B744. ...
I am now living in the ETOPS world, but over a lot of not much I will take the 74 any day. No amount of log book ink is going to replace engines/generators/hyd systems 3 & 4!
06-24-2019, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ocskyguy
Not likely. The conversion to flag means 117 rules. Would make our lives pretty different. No more 16 straight and go home, unless you want to never break guarantee.
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...
CFR117 rules don’t apply to cargo. Atlas is unique in that a pilot could fly both pax/cargo and both 117/121 rules in a month.
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