Furloughs coming to Atlas
07-02-2019, 09:13 AM
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Expect to see Cato back, not that he really went anywhere. Dietrich and Cato were the architects of the union busting AACS operation in Stansted. For those that don't know, it stands for Atlas Air Crew Services and they hired foreign pilots to crew our airplanes. If you plan on coming here you better study the history of this outfit because history is about to repeat itself. Spirit of Lorezo, alive, well and about to be in charge.
07-02-2019, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Atrasaty
Expect to see Cato back, not that he really went anywhere. Dietrich and Cato were the architects of the union busting AACS operation in Stansted. For those that don't know, it stands for Atlas Air Crew Services and they hired foreign pilots to crew our airplanes. If you plan on coming here you better study the history of this outfit because history is about to repeat itself. Spirit of Lorezo, alive, well and about to be in charge.
07-02-2019, 09:51 AM
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After Polar I can attest to Detrich's skullduggery so if you can get out, get out. The good news is Purple is on a hiring binge. Come on over and if you make it, upgrades are fast especially for those on the 757. Life is good.
07-02-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CardboardCutout
Wha...didn't I just read somewhere that Southern is getting 15 737s? I'm trying to see how this is going to work.
07-02-2019, 10:32 AM
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Things definitely look bad. It all hinges on scope. It's possible Flynn is stepping aside now in order to keep his reputation intact while Deitrich gets to wear whatever mud is coming from customers pulling business, etc.
Another possibility is that this is a way to drive us to an easier bargain with Flynn prior to dealing with Dietrich. If that's the play it could be a really effective good-cop/bad-cop game to play on the union. With Flynn stepping into a position as chairman of the board, I believe we're seeing the latter at play.
Regardless of what the facts are or the accuracy of anyone's speculation, panic gets us nowhere. There are a lot of factors at play, and all the forces arrayed agains the pilot group depend on us going weak at the knees in the face of bad news. I'm not a "burn this place down!" type of guy. We have to preserve and grow the business for everyone's sake. However, now is not the time for us to run for the hills and panic either. If there's a time for resolve, it's now. Don't budge. Fight.
Another possibility is that this is a way to drive us to an easier bargain with Flynn prior to dealing with Dietrich. If that's the play it could be a really effective good-cop/bad-cop game to play on the union. With Flynn stepping into a position as chairman of the board, I believe we're seeing the latter at play.
Regardless of what the facts are or the accuracy of anyone's speculation, panic gets us nowhere. There are a lot of factors at play, and all the forces arrayed agains the pilot group depend on us going weak at the knees in the face of bad news. I'm not a "burn this place down!" type of guy. We have to preserve and grow the business for everyone's sake. However, now is not the time for us to run for the hills and panic either. If there's a time for resolve, it's now. Don't budge. Fight.
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07-02-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation
Things definitely look bad. It all hinges on scope. I think Flynn is stepping aside now in order to keep his reputation intact while Deitrich gets to wear whatever mud is coming from customers pulling business, etc.
07-02-2019, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr
Senior management reached out to the union this week regarding scope.
In an effort to strong arm the union, they are threatening to outsource even more flying so they can get the CBA they want.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see them do a small furlough of 50-75 pilots just to see if the union blinks and scare the troops into taking the first offer.
Apparently it was a very heated meeting- the end is no where near.
In an effort to strong arm the union, they are threatening to outsource even more flying so they can get the CBA they want.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see them do a small furlough of 50-75 pilots just to see if the union blinks and scare the troops into taking the first offer.
Apparently it was a very heated meeting- the end is no where near.
07-02-2019, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dwight3
The whole thing seems to be a sinking ship.
So, again, now's the time to be prepared for unforeseen circumstances. It's not, however, time to panic.
07-02-2019, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dwight3
Why did the AACS operation end? Does the current Atlas CBA allow the company to do this again?
07-03-2019, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbine1
Germany and Hong Kong Today, Unemployment Line Tomorrow! Should be the new advertising banner here on APC.
Per our EXCO Chairman:
“At the meeting, I was particularly alarmed by some of the comments that company officials made. Company executives expressed their main goals relating to Scope to include the ability to dry lease aircraft without being constrained by any protections for the Atlas and Southern pilots if they decide to sell off all or part of the company. They further told us that having pilots attached to the business might reduce what they can get for any given part of the company.”
Today it was announced that the most anti pilot, anti union executive in the company is being promoted to CEO effective Jan 1. A Frank Lorenzo protege and lawyer by trade, he would love to outsource ALL our jobs, yesterday. Depending on our arbitration award in a couple months he may get license to do just that.
The good news is anyone who comes to Atlas and Southern now to become furlough fodder probably won’t get the chance to waste much of their career here and can move on to an actual airline ( not a holding company that leases airplanes ) that provides real compensation and stability.
Per our EXCO Chairman:
“At the meeting, I was particularly alarmed by some of the comments that company officials made. Company executives expressed their main goals relating to Scope to include the ability to dry lease aircraft without being constrained by any protections for the Atlas and Southern pilots if they decide to sell off all or part of the company. They further told us that having pilots attached to the business might reduce what they can get for any given part of the company.”
Today it was announced that the most anti pilot, anti union executive in the company is being promoted to CEO effective Jan 1. A Frank Lorenzo protege and lawyer by trade, he would love to outsource ALL our jobs, yesterday. Depending on our arbitration award in a couple months he may get license to do just that.
The good news is anyone who comes to Atlas and Southern now to become furlough fodder probably won’t get the chance to waste much of their career here and can move on to an actual airline ( not a holding company that leases airplanes ) that provides real compensation and stability.
Get into court and argue the RLA was written at a time when the outsourced business model of subcontracting did not exist. You could not go to a PanAm pilot and demand concessions under threat of transferring the flying to TWA. Today we have places like ATSG and AAWW that own multiple subsidiaries and routinely threaten exacly that; take concessions or we transfer your flying to our other subsidiary. We still keep the profits, but you get screwed even more than by these concessions.
The RLA never ever envisioned the outsouced/contractor business model. The restrictions against self help in the RLA makes perfect sense when the flying can not be transferred, and in fact even a strike doesn't transfer work. Not true in the Contractor segment of the industry.
I really think the best thing that T1224 could do would be to file a multi-union class action against the federal government and the related airlines alleging the forced application of the outdated RLA is unlawful in todays business environment.
The intent of the RLA was to maintain a status quo. Clearly there is no status quo when your work can be given away even while in section six.
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