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Old 07-03-2019, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
Yep. My bet is we furlough Jan1st. Company is hell bent on keep wages low. It wouldn’t surprise me for Atlas to throw in the towel and let Amazon or ATI pick up the pieces. They have a contract in place and can hire. We don’t.
Dont forget. Senior mgmt has made their money, and Amazon can make the shareholders whole.
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Old 07-03-2019, 02:10 PM
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There are always talks ungoing. The meetings are just to appease and put on a show. Management called union asking for scope relief, to discuss more outsourcing.

The last proposal from mgmt was current book. The union and mgmt couldn’t even get a TA down for Deadhead language, after 3 years of negotiations. If anyone thinks a new CBA is near, you’re all grossly mistaking.
Yeah it's a hopeless situation here. Trying to leave as fast as I can.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:55 PM
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No, they also invalidate laws..... They recently invalidated portions of the ACA, they recently invalidated sections of laws from a few states. Go ask any of the gay rights movement folks about using the courts to invalidate laws.

It would be very simple for the courts to determine that ACMI (and regionals for that matter) do not fall under the RLA and instead fall under the NLRA. The RLA clearly never envisioned the subcontractor business model. The RLA exists to preserve the status quo for uninterrupted service. There is no status quo in the subcontractor business model. The courts could simply place them under the NLRA until such time as Congress corrects the legislation.
They can rule that a law is unconstitutional. You won’t find any court willing to do that with the RLA.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:40 PM
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The RLA was written for the railroad owners not the employees. That's just a fact, YCLIU
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:09 PM
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The RLA was written for the railroad owners not the employees. That's just a fact, YCLIU
Read some history.
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:47 PM
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Furloughs coming, but come work for us per our weekly desperation email courtesy of APC
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Furloughs coming, but come work for us per our weekly desperation email courtesy of APC
I chuckle every time I get those emails. There’s a reason they’re sending those regularly...
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:02 AM
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They can rule that a law is unconstitutional. You won’t find any court willing to do that with the RLA.
The fact that the very same RLA language is used to prevent/prohibit station closure in the rail industry while in section six; yet allows base/station closure in the air industry shows diverging treatment of two groups under the same regulation/law. It's absolutely a legitimate argument. However, you will never see APA, ALPA nor Teamsters do anything about the RLA in any way. In 2014 at the ALPA National BOD meeting I threw a motion on the floor of the BOD Legislative Affairs committee meeting to direct the PAC to work towards modernizing the RLA commensurate with modern business practices. It was seconded by the Delta guys and placed on the agenda. That triggered a 3.5 hour Segway where I think every single lawyer National had in the building came to the committee room to speak at length why they didn't want to touch the RLA with a 10 foot pole. I'll sum up the 3.5 hours in two sentences. They're afraid that if they open the door to changes to the RLA, that management will come wanting changes to the RLA. That over the many years they (the lawyers) have gotten very good at knowing what will and won't fly under the RLA, and changes would eradicate those precedents.
In other words, the lawyers don't care if the RLA does not work very well for their membership; they care if it works for them, and are afraid to allow any changes from either side.
Personally, I think they like the RLA as is, it ensures you need lots of lawyers around to do anything. Job security.
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Old 07-06-2019, 11:58 AM
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The fact that the very same RLA language is used to prevent/prohibit station closure in the rail industry while in section six; yet allows base/station closure in the air industry shows diverging treatment of two groups under the same regulation/law. It's absolutely a legitimate argument. However, you will never see APA, ALPA nor Teamsters do anything about the RLA in any way. In 2014 at the ALPA National BOD meeting I threw a motion on the floor of the BOD Legislative Affairs committee meeting to direct the PAC to work towards modernizing the RLA commensurate with modern business practices. It was seconded by the Delta guys and placed on the agenda. That triggered a 3.5 hour Segway where I think every single lawyer National had in the building came to the committee room to speak at length why they didn't want to touch the RLA with a 10 foot pole. I'll sum up the 3.5 hours in two sentences. They're afraid that if they open the door to changes to the RLA, that management will come wanting changes to the RLA. That over the many years they (the lawyers) have gotten very good at knowing what will and won't fly under the RLA, and changes would eradicate those precedents.
In other words, the lawyers don't care if the RLA does not work very well for their membership; they care if it works for them, and are afraid to allow any changes from either side.
Personally, I think they like the RLA as is, it ensures you need lots of lawyers around to do anything. Job security.
Interesting post. Would like to see more from people that are smarter than myself to understand the history and evolution of the RLA, and how it affects airline labor.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:30 PM
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I’m hearing no more new hire classes after July. Considering our attrition numbers this is a bit concerning.
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