Question for ACMI guys
 

I did a whopping 12 months at ABX. I am now at a passenger airline. I went from driving to work to now commuting. I have friends always asking if they should go to an ACMI carrier. I dont know what to tell them.

Amazon is going to keep growing like mad and Omni, K4, and ATI have nice enough contracts now but the thing I dont see is the ability to drop trips. Drop reserve. Work less if needed. Change your schedule, trip trade. Pick up higher paying trips to make more money, not just work extra days. Home basing sounds great until you realize you are gone for 16 days no matter what. Commuting stinks but no schedule flexibility I "think" is worse. Am I missing something? At ABX I was only on reserve but it wasnt bad because I was able to just sit at home until called and they had a FIFO list I could watch.

How is schedule flexibility at your carrier? Isnt everyone just on reserve for X number of days?

Can’t compare all by what happened at ABX. My ACMI has trip trading, and plenty of schedule variety. You mostly will be gone 16 days, but it can be all at once, or in two and even three chunks. Bid what you want. Often the first day on duty is just a call with your scheduled DH to work the next day. That knocks it down to 15 away from home. Kalitta guys have CA’s who did over $500k last year by working the system. Fly your reserve days and you’ll make more without working extra days. We have both lines with scheduled flying and reserve lines. We have special carve out programs that even come with higher guarantees (80 hour instead of 64), and another that is basically scheduled PAX service with published hard lines.
ABX is a poor example to wages, working conditions and quality of life at most ACMI’s in my opinion.

At Kalitta (74) you are essentially a reservist for 16 days. You bid trips, but you probably won’t fly them. There isn’t any trip trading. You can’t drop trips. You can request certain days off, or any changes to your awarded days with the head of scheduling and she will work with you, but that is the only flexibility. If you want more money, it will take either overtime, or being in the right place at the right time.

Cujo, who do you work for?

Omni, but from speaking with friends at K4, ATI and oddly enough even Atlas, your depiction based solely upon the ABX experience isn’t exactly a fair depiction of the industry. Lots of great improvements have been happening. Guys are refusing to settle for scraps. The tide is turning.
It’s a great time to be a pilot

I'm at K4 and could care less about the trips I get. Schedule flexibility can be as simple as asking the Director of Scheduling to adjust your schedule based on availability. I've had two instances where I needed to swap days, and both were happily approved. Bidding is simple - choose the days that you want to work and settle in for 16 days. You will most likely not fly the schedule that you are awarded, but your line value is protected. I'm roughly 30% off the bottom of the list, so I can hold a line slightly worth more than min guarantee, but often choose reserve to get the days off that I want. I usually get one of my top 10 choices, and even when on reserve, I still credit roughly 85 hrs per month. K4 is a great place if your are interested in another ACMI carrier.

I think one of the big differences in the pax world is that by being senior in baseequipment, you are able to bid better schedules (more time off) if that's what you want.
At the ACMI's your 16 or 17 day month will always be there. Some times it may work to your advantage such as flying close to home, but a lot of contracts and schedules change over time.

It depends what you want out of life and the career.
I always push the younger guys that ask me for advice to keep their eye on the prize and go to a Legacy. I'm still attempting to get to one myself, but am enjoying the ride at my ACMI. That said, I have no illusions about the multi million dollar career earnings difference, if you are under 40. It's worth the move to a Legacy base if you get the job. But, everyone's situation is different, if it falls on you to run the family ranch outside of Casper, Wyoming (and the money isnt as much of an issue) then home basing at an ACMI is probably the way to go. I just found out WGN is the only ACMI with approved home basing in SJU.

Our reserve rules are a 12 hour call-out. You will usually get 24 hours notice before a flight. This time of the year it's super slow. I keep my bags packed but haven't been flying much. The truth is our life on the road is just one big long reserve schedule anyways, our schedules change almost constantly.

I’m in my 1st year at an ACMI and absolutely love it. Sure, I’ll keep my resumes refreshed and apps current at purple and brown for consideration somewhere down the line, but I live in a small, rural town in the south and I enjoy making one trip a month to the airport. Every month has a two week vacation. No commuting. No crash pads. After 15 years at a regional, there’s not enough money in the world to make me go back to “people haulin”.

While it does stink that whether you’re the plug or number 1 on the seniority list, everyone works 16 days, you start throwing vacation weeks in, and you work less than half the year. I did so many 4 on/2 off months at my previous carrier, that it made me dread going to work.

Now, I get it that everyone’s thoughts are different. If I lived in a major hub, sure, I could suck it up and try to get on with a Legacy. Problem is, I don’t want to live in a crime infested city like Chicago, away from friends and family, just so I can “maybe” have a better career.

Best of luck, but I really don’t think you can go wrong with ACMI. Get out. Fly something heavy. Get real world experience. F the regionals and the sham that the legacies run.

My 16.5 days on the road I would never trade away because I love having all of my days off in a consecutive row, and the stress of commuting is for the birds. I have no interest in going to the pax world ever again if it means I have to commute home every three to four days, rinse and repeat. Every time I am in an airline terminal in uniform, I feel like a tool, basically living at the airport. Nothing beats going through security at a freight hub, super quick and easy. Oh, a flight cancels? I now have to find a hotel room? Nope, that's already taken care for me. The only money I spend on the road is for my own desires, not needs.

Fixed it for you.

And yet, you guys can't get a pay increase.

I completely agree. I just finished my first full trip and had 3 weeks off after. I'm doubling down to do 30 on and have 30 off this trip. I understand everyone has different schedules, but with my wife's ability to work when I'm gone and be off when I'm home it's great!

Ok, maybe 3 weeks home together was almost too much. I was ready to go back to work and stop doing chores.:D

Cancelled flights while airlining into position happen from time to time at ABX also...mostly because of an ridiculous connection time between flights. And yes the company buys a hotel....I am not really sure what other option they would have if they what to get someone into position. Pretty sure if the company did not the crewmember would be headed home and they would be looking for a new pilot. Maybe I am missing something....

I went to K4 from ABX. You paint a strange picture from what I experienced. I never had any dead head airline trips into position to start work. I was always sweating the two leg RJ jump seat to get to CVG. If you happen to live in a city that is serviced by DHL hub service...I suppose it's fine. I live out in the boonies....and for me the difference with home basing now is night and day better. AND....the company is contractually bound to get me home on my last day. No JRM. This month...I'm going home a day early with a 1 in 7 on my schedule for the last day....which I will enjoy at home.

Was that pre Amazon? You never see some of our pilots anymore with all the commercials...it also probably depends on where you are on the seniority list and what trips you can hold. In the last 20+ yrs I have maybe jumpseated to/from work on a passenger carrier 6-8 times. Usually it's because I went to visit my Daughter on my days off and could not ride in on our system. I have been a two hour drive from a system jumpseat the whole time with missed trip protection. If for some reason I get bumped, weight, mechanical etc..I go home.Ymmv. I think it's funny sometimes when an off line carrier pilot with home basing decides instead of going to the hotel at 3 am then getting up and going to the terminal to catch his flight home starts riding on us or another system carrier because he can be on his way 2 hrs after block in and get home 10 hrs early going to the same destination...had to give up something to get the homebasing...crazy. As far as JRM...nobody does them unless they want to...I don't.

JRM.....so when you call in to screw scheduling on your last leg in on day 17 and they JRM or advance JRM you...you can say "no thanks"? That's not how it works at Abex.

Also...you say YMMV. Why yes....with 28 years of seniority and living in a DHL out base...things are significantly different. What I'm saying is that for the guy that wants to live on a lake in BFE....you're situation does not apply. Hence.....YMMV. I work less here and make way more than I ever did at ABX in two years......post Amazon. You "legacy Airborne" guys still think you're top of the heap. Not so much though.....

Ahhh shoot....you know..I sounded a bit snarky in that last post. I'll just say...you Airborne guys had one of the best jobs in aviation when the times were good (they were for a long time). And the guys I flew with were all great. Adapting to the new ACMI reality is a hard pill to swallow...I realize that. All the best in the future.......

Ex World guy here. The ACMI lifestyle is either something you love or hate. There’s not a lot of middle ground. Additionally, it’s your spouse or significant other that will determine if the lifestyle works for you.

I thought when I said position on the seniority list can play a factor...Anyway quite a bit more commercial trips than before....and saying that I think most companies see a benefit in getting a crewmember to work if a flt cancels while commuting for a company assignment.

Great time to be starting or applying to Legacy and Fedups Scheduled Cargo if you hold the credentials. You can now pick a big city you may live nearby and then the airline, that’s a first. Regarding AMCI, either enjoy it or jump anywhere you see fit. Everyone has been, is starting to or will be getting squeezed to hire frantically due to attrition/lack of resources, etc. While those resources are still available no doubt, I hear it too often from my Fedup friends as of late - “come on over bud, we need good people!” It’s the “need good people” that has caught my attention which proves everyone is feeling some pressure.

I myself prefer long haul junk flying to cattle (real box cattle is still barely above pax for me), provided commute/hotels, 1-2 legs and venturing outside the U.S. ADIZ. Wife prefers the longer periods off as well as myself and driving/or flying to work (my choice) is limited to once a month. Routine schedule changes can be painful or amiable, just luck of the draw. I easily get bored so change is more interesting as I always bid for time off and never chase locations as that is 50/50 at best. Pajama flying, crew qtrs, and not having a door blocking my galley/bladder is invaluable. Warehouse security or not, vacationing with your spouse during work on the road can happen - better than standby ticket odds these days. Pay is just OK depending on what AMCI outfit your at. Grass is definitely greener $$$/ greater benefits of course at the bigger carriers, but I live to the guarantee so extra is gravy.

So if you prefer the reverse of most everything I mentioned, or $$$ is the greatest priority (it does enhance your life normally) it’s definitely not a good fit. Hate sched changes or flying to the edges of flat earth, definitely don’t waste your time. Resume building/stepping stone to get you where you want to be - high probability with AMCI. Plenty of friends have moved on. Don’t forget stability/longevity if those are words that can apply. Everyone is different, everyone has their needs, wants, goals - go get it.

3-5 kids or more w/no scholarships, exotic mortgages in great locations, yachts (not boats), fast cars (not nice cars like mine), multiple planes and you live in high cost areas NY, NJ, LA, etc. (not Lower Alabama), and multiple x-wives. You probably should chase the paycheck at the biggies, especially if your less than 45.

Face it, we could all use more money. Ted Turner when asked “How much is enough?” He or any other tycoon for that matter “Just a little bit more.”

Sure, I would most likely enjoy the lifestyle of any 25+ year Captain at the biggies with 5-10 years remaining. But they did the time and I don’t have enough time remaining so I enjoy what my situation dictates within AMCI. Gotta live today, could be gone tomorrow - Aviation is a fickle business.