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I'm actually willing to bet there's zero progress made. Remember, all articles not agreed upon after the nine months period go to binding arbitration. And we already know they are going to tell the arbitrator it's out of his purview to dictate anything outside of the current contract. So there is zero motivation for them to negotiate. They want current book or concessions. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they renege on any of the other TAs already signed and demand current book on them as well.

Bungalow

I believe that is precisely the way AAWH meant to play this all along.

Excargodog

The RLA mandates final and binding arbitration of disputes over the application or interpretation of agreements (i.e., grievances and disciplinary appeals), and is designed to eliminate, as far as possible, the authority of the courts as to contract interpretation and enforcement. Once requested, representatives of each must meet to settle the dispute.

If the parties cannot settle the dispute, a neutral member is selected either by mutual agreement or by the NMB. The neutral member is then responsible for establishing the PLB which will hear the dispute and bind the parties.
The power of adjustment boards is exclusive, meaning that courts do not have authority to interpret CBAs under the RLA. Courts lack the power to vacate or set aside arbitration awards in whole or in part except when the Board exceeds its jurisdiction, engages in fraud, or has failed to comply with a specific provision of the RLA

Elevation

Even with an arbitration we're going to see more than current book. It's true the situation is bad. We'll lose on scope, work rules, retirement, disability, etc. An arbitrator will toss a higher hourly rate at us and be done.

Remember the current arbitrated contract came out when other airlines were taking concessions during the Great Recession of '08. At that time our arbitrated contract was beating United's. Times have changed, or course. Still arbitration doesn't mean we'll be poor; It means we'll be insecure and unappealing.

Mergers affect our contract prospects too. Retention bonuses peak in 2021, so it stands to reason that that's when we'll likely see the 767s sold off to Amazon with or without the pilots. We may never see an arbitrated contract.

Finally there's the economy. There's much news about the bond yield curve and other leading indicators. While the economy remains strong today, the future is uncertain as we look towards 2021. While there are plenty of retirements coming across the industry there are 2000 pilots here at Atlas, many with clean records, degrees, etc. who haven't been picked up anywhere better. There will be pilots available when the economy inevitably turns. Time is on their side.

Tango Uniform

Note to self, order your Christmas crap from Amazon by October. I have a feeling Santa is going to be going very slow this year.

Turbine1

Because it’s a decades old clause in our scope section. Every time AAWH buys an airline the Atlas contract is combined with the new carrier and goes to binding arbitration for anything not TA’d. In 27 years of operation Atlas pilots have been allowed to vote only ONE time on a CBA. With this ruling today our pilots won’t get to vote on a contract with AAWH ever again. Mgt will just buy another airline on the day negotiations open like they did with Southern and Polar before them. We’re the only airline in America with this distinction...or more aptly, curse.

It gets worse. We proceed to 9 months of negotiation ( last time it took 2.5 years ) with the binding arbitration gun to the negotiating committees head. Our execs also require that the arbitrator not exceed the language of the two contracts in any section. No improvements to match other airlines current pay and work rules.

6 years past our amenable date at the table we got a 14% raise overall in 2011 because the arbitrator would’ve averaged the Atlas and Polar contracts and we would’ve got nothing. We’re now 60% below industry average compensation, for less days off and that will now continue for the next decade plus, with Atlas Polar and Southern.

Atlas has been very successful in making millions; for their execs. At one time our CEO was earning more than Delta’s CEO, all the while keeping their pilots at the bottom compensation.

NoJoy

This ^^^

Scope and retirement (15% direct contribution vs 5% match) are HUGE. So is schedule (less than 17 days a month) and the ability to pick up soft money to increase ones pay by at least 50%.
An hourly raise is nice, but without the above, it won’t matter very much. Especially if Atlas pilots have to wait until 2035 for the next contract to get ratified after this one does.

Diesel8

At least 9 months before anything BEGINS to happen. The 1224 is not going to give them a merged seniority list until the last minute, unless management blows smoke up their collective a*ses with some sweetheart deal which in reality will be the biggest scr*w job that you can imagine. The union will never pick up on the details and jump on what they think is a hellava deal and miss the complete shafting.

Maybe the union is smarter than that, but I am not holding out any hope.

The company WANTS to delay it as much as possible and hang the carrot of a great new CBA to the weenies that are too stupid to stay away.

The best thing that could happen would be for Atlas to fold, go bankrupt, and cease operations.

Wildflyin

Can't tell if you are kidding, but HIGHLY illegal. Like, will be sued by Atlas and lose the case illegal.

boeingdvr

Putting in your two weeks notice isn’t illegal.