Thanks ALPA
 

I'm sure by now most of us have heard that the TSA will not be implementing their new BS program prohibiting use of KCM without being in uniform.

I am grateful for that since I never ever travel in uniform

this would not have happened without direct intervention by ALPA leadership

thanks Joe

There are still people having issues so I am not sure what is going on anymore.

In fact I just went through KCM in HOU now. Asked if they are still implementing the new procedures and they said yes.i had my uniform on just in case. My flight leaves in 10 mins I ain’t got time for that

yes the wheels of govment turn slowly

ORD
 

Went to O’Hare Thursday to grab my flight to work. Terminal 5 doesn’t show KCM- and I’ve never traveled out of T5 before- so I go in uniform to help get through security. Approaching security, attendant asks “are you unknown?” Never having heard that phrase before I look at him quizzically? He repeats. Then he points to the corner where there is an unadvertised KCM sign. I slide over to the KCM line and present my credentials. “Oh, you’ve been selected for a random!” Back to the security line.....

Went through CVG KCM twice this morning, out of uniform, no issues. Yes, thank you ALPA.

Three in a row got sent to random from KCM at LAS today. Luckily all in uniform and through TSA pre we went.

My personal opinion is that they got their intended outcome of upping uniform usage. By increasing the random screening rate they will get more guys in uniform to avoid some yahoo rifling through their bag, fondling his toothbrush and confiscating shampoo.

You may be right but I'm not sure they are related

Increased screening is independent of clothing

I think?

Way to go teamsters 1224!










Not

Yea perhaps it's something along the lines of "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Although the TSA fought ALPA every step of the way to get KCM going (ALPA had to get Congress involved not once but twice), so I went for malice first.

ASAC has these folks involved that went to DC work on this latest TSA KCM rules. Team effort, not solo.
https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/avi...mittee-members

Labor Organizations Representing Air Carrier Employees

Bill Cason, Coalition of Airline Pilots Association
Joe DePete, Air Line Pilots Association
Justin Madden, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
Chris Witkowski, Association of Flight Attendants - CWA

Cason is an IPA pilot been long involved in these gains for the industry going back to beginning. CAPA is APA, Teamsters 1224, Teamsters 357 and IPA.


Thanks ALPA, CAPA, IPA, Teamsters, APA, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, Association of Flight Attendants - CWA
They all fought this past week for all of us. Team efforts are best but I get it.

good to know

Maybe they could work on modernizing the RLA now... [emoji2371]


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Exactly one week after going thru KCM in street clothes unscathed, I attempted to repeat that today in MEM. Standard card scan, 2nd form of ID check and he waits for the system to finish doing its thing for 10 seconds. “You’re good.......
Pleasantly surprised I start to put away my ID when he finishes his sentence:
........but we’re sending non-uniformed KCM through TSA pre-check...new policy”
Turns to another TSA genius and yells over the heads of everyone in line to verify that’s what they’re doing now..... confirmed by random colleague.
I say, I should have just gone to pre-check in the first place than waste my time and yours doing this.
TSA pre-check, beep on first attempt
Now “randomly” selected to go thru the back-scatter full body zapper. Leave my belt on since I’m out of practice which earns me a 360 waist check along the inside of my pants.

“Have a nice day”. GFY would have worked nicely but I kept it inside.

SWAPA informed it’s members that DHS/TSA wants to can the entire KCM program, so the uniformed-only option was the compromise. After blowback, TSA temporarily suspended implementation of this compromise solution. They did not $hitcan it, just suspended implementation.

I predict we will see this come to fruition in the not-to-distant future. 🤯

What's actually scary is the fact that TSA lets TSA employees through, with bags, in civilian clothes, by just looking at their badge.
No biometrics, nothing.

Thank you for clarifying the fact that this was an industry wide effort.

I'm all for supporting my union, but the bashing of other unions is so short sighted, it is pathetic.

Someday, union bashing pilots will realize that the enemy is not the other unions, but the management groups of the airlines.

I have to admit that I didn't learn this until I was furloughed from an airline that was at direct odds with an airline represented by another union. There was bad blood between those two groups but that animosity was grossly misplaced. It was the airline management groups that should have been the object of our anger.

After I managed to get hired at airline #3 for my career, I found myself flying with some of those pilots who had been our "arch enemy's" just a year before. Turns out that they were just like me: great guys who were working stiffs just trying to make it to the end of an airline career fraught with trials and troubles.

Unions, all of them, are the networks that hold our employee groups together. Unions are us.

Infuriating, isn't it?!
How this is never addressed AND allowed to continue is beyond me. :rolleyes: :mad:

Seriously? For commercial flight's or going to work? What's your source?

My own eyes. Seen it done a million times. I guess they were going to work, not sure.
There are places where their lockers are inside security. They just walk through in their civvies.

I think the security issue (in their eyes) is vastly reduced if they aren't boarding an airplane.

That just shows how stupid they are. They aren't, but his/hers buddy might. With the unscanned bag this highly trained federal officer just gave him.

Well said 8, well said!

FAJ

See this almost daily. It is infuriating to me, too. Especially, when Joe TSA Hero tells me I’ve been through the same training and background checks as them. Okay, then. Let me walk through just by looking at my badge, too?

Went thru in shorts and Hawaiian shirt at SMF this morning, no issues guy didnt even want to see second ID says I just need to see one

I don't think the second ID is required yet.

Starts tomorrow, 9/6.

That splains it
Thanks

Are you talking about something else? :confused: Every time I’ve used KCM since it started I’ve had to show another form of ID in addition to my crew ID.

effective Sept 6 you will need your crew ID, a gov't photo ID, AND:

either a 3rd photo/gov't ID or your FAA license

This if you're out of uniform. In uniform, no changes to current system.

Thanks. If they have to make a change, at least this one has some basis in logic rather than relying on someone’s clothing to somehow prove they’re who they claim to be.

We could all just get TSA uniforms. Then all you have to do is walk through and show badges to someone. No CASS verification. No random checks. Easy peezy.

Someone should start a YouTube channel devoted to TSA breaches of security, etc?