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Old 08-27-2020, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Commit Aviation View Post
Lots more. Postal service, DHL and ETOPS all have significant time away from Miami and overnights. We still have the day trips but they can be brutal. 4-6 legs in a 767 island hopping isn’t fun, especially in our lone 200. Personally I bid out to CVG for a set schedule and as close to home basing as we currently offer where the company pays for my ticket and hotel. I’ll do that all day. Far easier than Miami flying.
Would you have that sentiment if you were a Miami resident? I’d imagine that living in base (MIA in this case) would be better than to have a ticket and a hotel reservation to CVG?
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Old 08-28-2020, 10:38 AM
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Would you have that sentiment if you were a Miami resident? I’d imagine that living in base (MIA in this case) would be better than to have a ticket and a hotel reservation to CVG?
SoFlo I am a south Florida resident and I still feel that way. The tentative bid was released this morning and again both temp bases went very senior. And while a few new hires did get listed it’s doubtful they’ll be awarded it. I’m just being totally frank with those following the thread and considering us as an option. Some guys love the Miami flying. But most of us do not and for valid reasons.

For one your schedule changes frequently. You’ll go to bed for rest and wake up to find your schedule has changed drastically. Sometimes it’s not bad it’s just a turn. But often it’s now a 4-5 leg day of island hopping with 13-15 hours of duty. No catering for what it’s worth. I prefer to bid out because I do my two legs and I’m done. I get my hotel and airline points. They fly me from home. And I’m away from all the BS that never stops on 36th street. Only you know what is truly best for you. But it’s rather telling that guys with 10+ seniority are bidding out of Miami.

I feel the new hires from legacies are in for culture shock. Then again we already have two of God’s gift to aviation from a certain carrier who think it’s their job to fix everything. Don’t be that guy. Lol. But seriously a pilot has to do what they must do to survive these days. But I won’t lie. We don’t understand why we are hiring guys we know aren’t going to be here in a year and who have no vested interest in things. It’s a huge waste of time and money when we know there are some pretty deserving regional guys out there available. I’m not saying all the legacy furloughs are bad guys. I’m not. But we have hired some with major egos and attitudes and it’s going to be interesting. Just an opinion but I’m telling you what current line pilots are feeling and chatting about. In closing if you come here be prepared. Know the Miami flying isn’t as structured or organized and frequently changes. If you plan on commuting have a plan and a crash pad. We have active line pilots here. We are happy to try to help answer questions. Just ask or ask us to PM if you want privacy. Either way for those looking good luck.
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Old 08-28-2020, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Commit Aviation View Post
SoFlo I am a south Florida resident and I still feel that way. The tentative bid was released this morning and again both temp bases went very senior. And while a few new hires did get listed it’s doubtful they’ll be awarded it. I’m just being totally frank with those following the thread and considering us as an option. Some guys love the Miami flying. But most of us do not and for valid reasons.

For one your schedule changes frequently. You’ll go to bed for rest and wake up to find your schedule has changed drastically. Sometimes it’s not bad it’s just a turn. But often it’s now a 4-5 leg day of island hopping with 13-15 hours of duty. No catering for what it’s worth. I prefer to bid out because I do my two legs and I’m done. I get my hotel and airline points. They fly me from home. And I’m away from all the BS that never stops on 36th street. Only you know what is truly best for you. But it’s rather telling that guys with 10+ seniority are bidding out of Miami.

I feel the new hires from legacies are in for culture shock. Then again we already have two of God’s gift to aviation from a certain carrier who think it’s their job to fix everything. Don’t be that guy. Lol. But seriously a pilot has to do what they must do to survive these days. But I won’t lie. We don’t understand why we are hiring guys we know aren’t going to be here in a year and who have no vested interest in things. It’s a huge waste of time and money when we know there are some pretty deserving regional guys out there available. I’m not saying all the legacy furloughs are bad guys. I’m not. But we have hired some with major egos and attitudes and it’s going to be interesting. Just an opinion but I’m telling you what current line pilots are feeling and chatting about. In closing if you come here be prepared. Know the Miami flying isn’t as structured or organized and frequently changes. If you plan on commuting have a plan and a crash pad. We have active line pilots here. We are happy to try to help answer questions. Just ask or ask us to PM if you want privacy. Either way for those looking good luck.
Ok, I'll bite... As one of the grateful to have a job legacy types at AJT right now, I can see and understand what you are referring to with some of the "astronauts" coming through training at present. Attitude and life perspective have a lot to do with learning humility, but let's also be honest about the AJT operation and the fact that management acknowledges that there is indeed a LONG way to go and plenty of growing pains. Maybe the delivery is off, but wanting to make the place your going to call your job for the next *insert amount of time here* a better place is not necessarily a bad thing (and if it was, then why is there a massive push to get rid of the IBT?)

I can't speak for anyone about their future plans, but let's be honest. Before this pandemic hit, how long was the average new hire AJT pilot lasting on the line before moving on to yellower, bluer or browner pastures? I can tell you that from what I heard a vast majority were not even around for a year and none would have passed up on any of those opportunities to stay at AJT! Most (if not all) legacy pukes getting hired right now came with a type on the 767, so to argue that we will be more of a "financial" drag for the company than a non-typed of the street hire is an argument that holds no water as it's pretty much a plug and play situation from the company perspective.

Again, I am thankful for having this opportunity with AJT and can attest that the crews and the people I have met so far honestly try their best to help everyone and have been very welcoming. And speaking only for myself, I will do my job as a professional, try to have a good time in the process, and hopefully also do my part to make AJT better for the future, which I am sure is the same thing most all of us want regardless of your personal time-value assessment.
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Old 08-28-2020, 01:50 PM
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Ok, I'll bite... As one of the grateful to have a job legacy types at AJT right now, I can see and understand what you are referring to with some of the "astronauts" coming through training at present. Attitude and life perspective have a lot to do with learning humility, but let's also be honest about the AJT operation and the fact that management acknowledges that there is indeed a LONG way to go and plenty of growing pains. Maybe the delivery is off, but wanting to make the place your going to call your job for the next *insert amount of time here* a better place is not necessarily a bad thing (and if it was, then why is there a massive push to get rid of the IBT?)

I can't speak for anyone about their future plans, but let's be honest. Before this pandemic hit, how long was the average new hire AJT pilot lasting on the line before moving on to yellower, bluer or browner pastures? I can tell you that from what I heard a vast majority were not even around for a year and none would have passed up on any of those opportunities to stay at AJT! Most (if not all) legacy pukes getting hired right now came with a type on the 767, so to argue that we will be more of a "financial" drag for the company than a non-typed of the street hire is an argument that holds no water as it's pretty much a plug and play situation from the company perspective.

Again, I am thankful for having this opportunity with AJT and can attest that the crews and the people I have met so far honestly try their best to help everyone and have been very welcoming. And speaking only for myself, I will do my job as a professional, try to have a good time in the process, and hopefully also do my part to make AJT better for the future, which I am sure is the same thing most all of us want regardless of your personal time-value assessment.

agree with this post 100%. To Commits post, it’s a waste of time and money to hire guys with ETOPS experience who are typed on the airplane? “They’re in for a culture shock?” In the group chats I’ve been a part of so far, most guys are sick and tired of the culture that’s here. People want ALPA and have reached out to those coming from ALPA carriers for contractual information. Why wouldn’t we band together to make this company better? Seems like some above don’t want to make it better and just want to “stick it to” those who came from another job that had better work rules. Also, many of these legacy pilots did plenty of 4-6 leg days at the regionals or other carriers. No reason to be upset with someone taking a job offered to them during the worst downturn in modern aviation.

9/10 new hires here will want to fly safe, learn the ropes, and embrace a new opportunity and are happy to still be flying. You’ll always have bad apples inside the company and coming into the company unfortunately. I think everyone can learn from everyone, good attitude or bad. Seems like commit already made up his mind.
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Old 08-28-2020, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by aviator249 View Post
Seems like commit already made up his mind.
I’m not the only one here who has that opinion. The conference call is Sunday 11-1 pm. It’s a great opportunity to participate if you do want to seek a change and ask the tough questions. Who knows. It may even go a long ways in changing perceptions. Glad you found a job. I’m just saying the bad apples and a former legacy guy running the show have at times poisoned the well. Then again the lack of his support and negative tone haven’t helped morale here. Agree. Disagree. It’s your right. I meant what I said earlier. There are guys here who try to answer what questions there are. There will always be differences of opinions. I’m just saying guys here are skeptical. That’s all. It’s going to take some time. And even I am smart enough to know that includes myself. I’m just being honest with you. Doesn’t mean I’m right and I’ll leave it there.
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Old 08-28-2020, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Commit Aviation View Post
I’m not the only one here who has that opinion. The conference call is Sunday 11-1 pm. It’s a great opportunity to participate if you do want to seek a change and ask the tough questions. Who knows. It may even go a long ways in changing perceptions. Glad you found a job. I’m just saying the bad apples and a former legacy guy running the show have at times poisoned the well. Then again the lack of his support and negative tone haven’t helped morale here. Agree. Disagree. It’s your right. I meant what I said earlier. There are guys here who try to answer what questions there are. There will always be differences of opinions. I’m just saying guys here are skeptical. That’s all. It’s going to take some time. And even I am smart enough to know that includes myself. I’m just being honest with you. Doesn’t mean I’m right and I’ll leave it there.
Sounds to me like what is really needed here is unity among the pilot group and focus on OUR common goals, and not divisive comments about who came from where, or who got hired because of what, or who will represent a poor financial decision in the short or long term for the company...

Who the company hires and for what reasons is based on decision usually made above most of our pay grades. Like the ALPA adage says "They Manage, We Fly". In other words our focus and purpose is to operate the aircraft safely, legally, and to take care and support each other while accomplishing that.

Every pilot group has their "5%" that are problem children, there is no avoiding that wether they are a "Marvin Mainliner" or a grizzled "DC8 Champion". However that still leaves the vast majority of the pilot group that can act as a unified front for achieving positive, and collective, change. I haven't been here anywhere near long enough to know every detail of what this management has recently put this pilot group through, but I am being educated on it a little bit more every day by pilots that share similar professional views and goals within the AJT ranks, and who are working hard to make this a better place for all who are here or who wish to come here.

Division within our ranks only makes it that much harder for positive changes to take place, and gives that manager you love so much the upper hand. Who knows, maybe even by working together Amerijet can get a good contract, and can evolve from being a stepping stone for most, to a place that people actively decide to hang their hat up at.
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Old 08-28-2020, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Commit Aviation View Post
I’m not the only one here who has that opinion. The conference call is Sunday 11-1 pm. It’s a great opportunity to participate if you do want to seek a change and ask the tough questions. Who knows. It may even go a long ways in changing perceptions. Glad you found a job. I’m just saying the bad apples and a former legacy guy running the show have at times poisoned the well. Then again the lack of his support and negative tone haven’t helped morale here. Agree. Disagree. It’s your right. I meant what I said earlier. There are guys here who try to answer what questions there are. There will always be differences of opinions. I’m just saying guys here are skeptical. That’s all. It’s going to take some time. And even I am smart enough to know that includes myself. I’m just being honest with you. Doesn’t mean I’m right and I’ll leave it there.
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. I’m just not sure what yours is other than creating division for the sake of creating division because “he didn’t come from 36th street.” What’s your gripe? Let me ask a different question? Do you have a problem flying with someone who is safe, doesn’t complain about “extra legs” and flies the airplane safely with a good attitude? Does where they came from factor into that equation? If so, that’s a heart problem not a pilot group problem.

Anyone coming in as a new hire regardless of their past job regardless of that’s a legacy or a regional or general aviation who is trying to fix the airline overnight, that guy has a bad attitude and it’s a problem. However, your previous posts reveal your saltiness towards legacy guys. I’m not speaking for 2 bad apples who think they’re sky Gods. How about you meet us and make that judgement on an individual basis?

What if a regional guy came here and talked down on your company and you? They wouldn’t be wasted money because it’s a regional guy? There are regional gigs out there with much better QOL than the Amerijet system is now. But he’s a good investment right? Not the guys who are typed with ETOPS experience, and are here to fly safely within the operation?

Sorry, but I’m not buying it from your previous comments. If you have a problem with someone because they are simply a legacy guy, just own to it rather than try to bs us. Also, if you think this is only going to last a year as far as furloughs go, I think you’ll be surprised.
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Old 08-29-2020, 12:20 PM
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Despite the difference in opinion, I appreciate everyone’s insight and being able to keep it civil (unlike most on APC).
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Old 08-30-2020, 05:28 AM
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Any insight on AJT's hiring/growth plans for the remainder of 2020 to 2021?
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Any insight on AJT's hiring/growth plans for the remainder of 2020 to 2021?
Mostly rumors but nothing officially communicated yet. Apparently, there will be another new hire class in September and interviews were still being conducted last week.

Sorry there's really no more to tell.
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