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Gunter 05-13-2007 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 165087)
3. Everyone will get 5 more years of pay, and at least the same, but probably more, years of captains pay....


More years of Captain's pay? How so?

If you mean more will medical out and make it so, what if you are the one to medical out? Then its 5 more years of FO pay and less Captains pay.

Roberto 05-13-2007 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 165090)
More years of Captain's pay? How so?

If you mean more will medical out and make it so, what if you are the one to medical out? Then its 5 more years of FO pay and less Captains pay.

A lot of us, when given the opportunity to stay 5 more years, will not stay the entire 5 years. That would lesson the delay to captain for those following.... it would probably be more like a 2 or 3 year push... If that following person chose to stay until 65, it would give some additional years as captain.

Falconjet 05-13-2007 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 165099)
A lot of us, when given the opportunity to stay 5 more years, will not stay the entire 5 years. That would lesson the delay to captain for those following.... it would probably be more like a 2 or 3 year push... If that following person chose to stay until 65, it would give some additional years as captain.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a whopper! Most won't stay all 5 years. Right. The day after the change you dumbazzes will be petitioning Congress to fly to 70.

FJ

MaydayMark 05-13-2007 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 165087)
3. Everyone will get 5 more years of pay, and at least the same, but probably more, years of captains pay.... A considerable increase in lifetime earnings will be available for all. Earned income, medical and other benefits, defined benefit pension plan, and money purchase pension plan all increase, if one so chooses.

Hey Roberto ... NEWS FLASH! Some of us don't want 5 MORE years. I planned to retire at 60 and guys like you threaten that opportunity. I've saved, invested and looked forward to many years in retirement. Those guys that are on their 3rd wives, made poor investments and bought Corvettes and vacation houses shouldn't be MY problem.

Regards,


Mark

FoxHunter 05-13-2007 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 164938)
Sorry, I just posted this on another thread.

Foxhunter? Can you please tell us the answer.

I just thought of something...I think the French didn't go along with ICAO on the age 65 thing. And, who says they don't have a backbone? But, does that mean our, soon to be, over age 60 F/O's and Capts will not be allowed to operate from a CDG domicile? Or even into their country?

See:

http://www.jaa.nl/licensing/pilots.html

That says the same thing that the FAA says about US airlines today. If you work for a non French airline you can fly into and out of France up to the age of 65. Now if FedEx forms a seperate French cargo airline, operatining under JAA rules, the French will not permit Captains over the age of 60. Since we are not a French company, operating under French rules it is not an issue.

There has been some pressure from French pilots to raise their age limit to 65 but that really goes against their culture that believes everyone should retire on a government guaranteed pension at age 50-55.:)

Roberto 05-13-2007 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 165108)
Hey Roberto ... NEWS FLASH! Some of us don't want 5 MORE years. I planned to retire at 60 and guys like you threaten that opportunity. I've saved, invested and looked forward to many years in retirement. Those guys that are on their 3rd wives, made poor investments and bought Corvettes and vacation houses shouldn't be MY problem.

The beauty of the opportunity to go to 65 is that we all get to choose. You can retire whenever you want. It is your choice.

Boom Boom 05-13-2007 02:51 PM


You can retire whenever you want. It is your choice.
What kinda Crack you smokin.... That will become the new mandatory retirement age and ... walla.. We can retire before that----> With a penalty!!! :mad:

What a great choice!!! WTFO

zulu 05-13-2007 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by SleepyF18 (Post 164991)
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Your last concern about not being represented is a valid one. I would ask you though, do you feel that a leadership group should follow their memberships' majority if they feel it is wrong? Do we elect leaders to blindly follow us over a perceived cliff or do we elect them to make the hard, sometimes unpopular, decisions?

Sleepy,
I have to say yes, I do expect you to vote the desires of the membership even if they conflict with your own beliefs. Our LEC and MEC members are elected as REPRESENTATIVES first, and are therefore expected to REPRESENT the membership. You have the right and responsibility to educate and lobby the membership regarding your opinions, but, in the end, you are morally obligated to represent your constituents desires on the ballot.


Just my views of how a representative democracy should work,

Z

FoxHunter 05-13-2007 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Boom Boom (Post 165125)
What kinda Crack you smokin.... That will become the new mandatory retirement age and ... walla.. We can retire before that----> With a penalty!!! :mad:

What a great choice!!! WTFO

That depends on how the retirement plan is written. At Flying Tigers early retirement at age 50 was pemitted with no penalty if you had completed 25 years service.:cool:

A300_Driver 05-13-2007 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by FoxHunter (Post 165130)
That depends on how the retirement plan is written. At Flying Tigers early retirement at age 50 was pemitted with no penalty if you had completed 25 years service.:cool:

And you think our OH SO generous company is just going to let us retire at 60 without trying to impose a penalty for going "early" (prior to the new regulated age of 65)--you are dragging on your crack pipe!!!

They may--but it WILL cost us SERIOUS negotiating horsepower...READ MORE DOLLARS AND CENTS OUT OF ALL OF OUR POCKETS!


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