Fer crying out loud, Foxhunter, will you stop posting your dreams as facts?

Just adding to the chorus here. I e-mailed my block reps, and specifically asked for a vote on what to do with the re-treads. I'm guessing that we'll never see a poll (much less a vote) on that, because the MEC feels one way and the membership feels another.

It's becoming increasingly clear that the MEC has wanted a change to the Age 60 rule and now feels that they have enough "cover" to go ahead and officially change position. By the way, if the polling showed a "statistical dead heat" then why does that mean our position should change? Tie goes to the runner, or in this case our long-standing opposition to any change to Age 60.

S 65 IS


110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 65
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

January 4, 2007
Mr. INHOFE (for himself, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. LIEBERMAN, and Mr. FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation


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A BILL
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Fly Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. MODIFICATION OF FAA'S AGE-60 STANDARD.

(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--

(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and

(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age.

(b) Sunset of Age-60 Rule-

(1) IN GENERAL- On and after the effective date described in subsection (e), section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations shall have no further force or effect.

(2) REGULATIONS- Not later than 30 days after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may be necessary to implement paragraph (1) and to modify the regulations relating to pilot privileges by reason of age.

(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).

(d) GAO Report After Modification of Age-60 Standard- Not later than 24 months after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Comptroller General of the United States shall report to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives concerning the effect on aviation safety, if any, of the modification of the age standard contained in subsection (a).

(e) Effective Date- This Act shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
END

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I can cut and paste with the best of them. So you are CERTAIN that the law in Congress now, AS WRITTEN, will pass and that the FAA will have NOTHING to do with any change? Because that is what you posted. We have seen bills in Congress before with no change. I'm not disputing what is written in the bill; I'm calling you out for cavalierly throwing out your assertions as facts.

This is precisely why I hope we are able to participate with the FAA during an NPRM verse Congressional legislation and I believe is what our ALPA leadership is trying to tell us.

If this gets rammed down out throats by Congress we won't have ANY say.

If the change goes through the NRPM process, the FAA can implement it and we (ALPA) can atleast have some say and possibly (no gaurantees) we might have some direct influence.


The Time to write you Congress on this issue has long past. Now is the time to see the forest through the trees.

So is quitting the union over this.

Yes I am certain. The WSJ reported last December that the FAA had decided to change the age. It was reported that they wanted Congress to do it by law, not the FAA by NPRM. The FAA Administrator announced on Jaqnuary 30, 2007 that it was time to change the rule. She then said the NPRM would come out later this year. WHY?? The FAA wants Congress to make the change by law. The NPRM would only cost the FAA time, money, and be a distraction and unlike many other FAA rule changes it probably been more discussed than any other rule change in FAA history.

APAAD reported yesterday:
On our last day of the Blitz, May 3rd, the Senate Commerce Committee
introduced the FAA Reauthorization Bill, which includes, in Section 706, our
complete S.65 language. S.65 is no amendment or attachment; our language is a part of the body of the Reauthorization Bill, a much stronger position.
Both Aviation Subcommittee Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and ranking
member Trent Lott (R-MS) signed off on our language being in the FAA bill.

the administrator will not even be in office in 2 years . U still will be pouring coffee...

george...repeat after me..."2 A off ! 1 B on and checked!!!"

if you don't know foxhunter - some people obviously do - then you dread going to work every time you have a captain named george on your trip.:eek:

Nice one!:D

George, this reminds me of another song from your day. "Dreeeeam, Dream Dream Dream."
Face reality, you will be sitting sideways the whole time pouring coffee!