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#751
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
As usual, you're wrong again. Actually I just got back from playing racquetball a little while ago. It was the second time today, which is usual for me. After rb, a group of us went to the 99, a local bar/grill, for dinner and a few beers, or in my case, diet cokes. As for pouring coffee "all night", well, anyone who knows me, knows that I didn't do that as a new hire, and have maintained that service since. I'm happy to do my job though, and if someone would like coffee, I'm more than happy to pass the jug. I'm quite sure that you can sleep soundly, because I can't imagine anyone "needing you", except maybe your parole officer. Just kidding!
#752
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
Anyone who wants to work a little longer than you do. As well, anyone who wants their last 5 years to be their "high 5", unlike some of us who never had that luxury. Why do you feel that you have the right to pass judgment on others motives or situations?
#753
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: leaning to the left
Posts: 4,184
I'm not sure which complex you would be suffering from...But, its definitely a symptom.
#754
I was thinkin' the same thing, Busboy.
Before I was hired, a buddy of mine explained how he had to wrap the water bottles in paper napkins before he placed those and the Sanicoms up front before the Captain and First Officer arrived at the airplane. I laughed and swore I'd never stoop to such silliness.
A few months later, I was not only wrapping the water bottles, I was folding little pockets with napkins which I then clipped to the yokes and filled with Sanicoms and peppermint candy.
It turns out, it wasn't beneath me after all. It was a service I provided with pride, because it just made things go better when we were all getting along. I didn't drink coffee then (it interfered with my naps between the 1,000' and 500' calls ), but it never bothered me to pour for anyone else, or even to mix in the requested quantities of sweetener and creamer.
Interesting attitude . . . and I was beginning to like Jetjok.
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Before I was hired, a buddy of mine explained how he had to wrap the water bottles in paper napkins before he placed those and the Sanicoms up front before the Captain and First Officer arrived at the airplane. I laughed and swore I'd never stoop to such silliness.
A few months later, I was not only wrapping the water bottles, I was folding little pockets with napkins which I then clipped to the yokes and filled with Sanicoms and peppermint candy.
It turns out, it wasn't beneath me after all. It was a service I provided with pride, because it just made things go better when we were all getting along. I didn't drink coffee then (it interfered with my naps between the 1,000' and 500' calls ), but it never bothered me to pour for anyone else, or even to mix in the requested quantities of sweetener and creamer.
Interesting attitude . . . and I was beginning to like Jetjok.
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#756
Ba-dum-bum -- CHING
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, he'll be here all week. Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
OK, seriously . . . the question I asked in Post #727 wasn't intended to be rhetorical. I want some real feedback.
What if all the Over-60 guys were junior? Would that make a difference in how you feel about letting them bid the right seat (or left seat)? What if we let them go back to the end of the seniority list when they turn 60, and then bid what they can hold? The only people that would be affected are the ones that haven't been hired yet. That way it wouldn't slow you down, right? Would that make it easier to swallow?
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Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, he'll be here all week. Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
OK, seriously . . . the question I asked in Post #727 wasn't intended to be rhetorical. I want some real feedback.
What if all the Over-60 guys were junior? Would that make a difference in how you feel about letting them bid the right seat (or left seat)? What if we let them go back to the end of the seniority list when they turn 60, and then bid what they can hold? The only people that would be affected are the ones that haven't been hired yet. That way it wouldn't slow you down, right? Would that make it easier to swallow?
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#757
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: MD11 FO
Posts: 1,109
TonyC - yes absolutely it would make it easier to swallow. Especially for those that say they "just love to fly". If that's all they're worried about then the back of the seniority list, or the idea of right seat only would be great for all sides.
#758
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,223
How about this: you can fly past 60 if there's less than a million in your B fund....
#759
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
You're kidding right? Tell me you're not saying that it is beneath you to pour a friggin' cup of coffee? I personally only asked the S/O, so I wouldn't have to fumble around with the jug between my legs or over pour it over the console.
I'm not sure which complex you would be suffering from...But, its definitely a symptom.
I'm not sure which complex you would be suffering from...But, its definitely a symptom.
Last edited by Jetjok; 05-24-2007 at 04:34 AM.
#760
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
What if all the Over-60 guys were junior? Would that make a difference in how you feel about letting them bid the right seat (or left seat)? What if we let them go back to the end of the seniority list when they turn 60, and then bid what they can hold? The only people that would be affected are the ones that haven't been hired yet. That way it wouldn't slow you down, right? Would that make it easier to swallow?
The problems I see with this idea are many. First off, seniority is seniority, pure and simple. If the rule changes, than guys deserve to operate the seat that they are senior enough to hold. One of the reasons that guys go to the back seat, once they turn 60, is that they retain their seniority number and bid flying, vacation, training, etc, in that seniority order. To force them to the bottom of the list is ludicrous, as there is no provision, nor has there ever been one for this type of action. Personally, I'm sure that there are a number of guys in their 50's and 60's who couldn't keep up the pace of a new hire guy, what with crazy reserve hours, flying the trips that everyone else turns down, either by not bidding them or by having an eye problem (I can't see flying THAT trip, so I guess I'll be sick.), etc. For that matter, I'm sure we have a number of guys in their 40's who couldn't keep up.
However, the thing that bothers me the most about this type of thinking is that it just goes to show that what you guys are really saying is that it's ok for over 60 guys to fly, just as long as they're junior to you. A very parochial attitude. Understandable, but parochial none the less.
For guys wanting to fight this change, I say, go for it. Fight as hard as you can, but please don't use: loss of our A or B fund; a change in the mandatory retirement age, thusly forcing guys to work till 65; or any other negotiated benefit or work rule we now operate under, because these things are negotiated, tit for tat. As well, please don't threaten us with changing retirement benefits for those already off the property, as guess what, one day that will be you too. Talk about shortsightedness.
As well, after the fight is fought, if you lose, than accept the situation and let it go. If the rule doesn't pass, that's what I plan to do. This is a very emotional issue, for both sides. Junior guys see their quality of life and livelihood being put in jeopardy, while older guys see the ability to work a few years longer (for whatever reason) suddenly become a reality. The one thing none of us can afford to jeopardize is our cohesiveness with regards to management. Because if we do, this Age 65 thing will be small potatoes.
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