Amazon orders 100,000 Rivian delivery vans
#21
Sure, do. We also have MANY automated trains around the world. You probably rode one to work in the past few days. I did in Denver just a few days ago.
I am not suggesting that "ALL" pilots are going away, just certain pilots will be replaced. And I think within the next 10 years.
I am not suggesting that "ALL" pilots are going away, just certain pilots will be replaced. And I think within the next 10 years.
#22
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Hey man, I'm just making a personal prediction. That's what I think Amazon is going for. I think its 10 years out. Could be longer or shorter. They have FAA approval to start deliveries with drones.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazo...194828578.html
"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued a certificate to Amazon Prime Air on Wednesday, allowing the company to operate its MK27 unmanned aircraft for package deliveries, the federal agency said in a statement.
On the same day, Amazon (AMZN) announced it will begin delivering packages to customers by drone “within months” at its artificial intelligence, robotics and space conference re:Mars in Las Vegas. Amazon’s certificate is valid for one year and is eligible for renewal, according to the FAA."
“We’ve been hard at work building fully electric drones that can fly up to 15 miles and deliver packages under five pounds to customers in less than 30 minutes. And, with the help of our world-class fulfillment and delivery network, we expect to scale Prime Air both quickly and efficiently, delivering packages via drone to customers within months,” Jeff Wilke, CEO of Amazon Worldwide Consumer, said on Wednesday.
So it's already happening. We can revisit this in 10 years and see who is right if you want. But they are already starting deliveries with drones. If it works I am sure they will be quick to start doing the same with trunk aircraft. The cost savings will be huge for them and they have a LOT of money to throw at the problem.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazo...194828578.html
"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued a certificate to Amazon Prime Air on Wednesday, allowing the company to operate its MK27 unmanned aircraft for package deliveries, the federal agency said in a statement.
On the same day, Amazon (AMZN) announced it will begin delivering packages to customers by drone “within months” at its artificial intelligence, robotics and space conference re:Mars in Las Vegas. Amazon’s certificate is valid for one year and is eligible for renewal, according to the FAA."
“We’ve been hard at work building fully electric drones that can fly up to 15 miles and deliver packages under five pounds to customers in less than 30 minutes. And, with the help of our world-class fulfillment and delivery network, we expect to scale Prime Air both quickly and efficiently, delivering packages via drone to customers within months,” Jeff Wilke, CEO of Amazon Worldwide Consumer, said on Wednesday.
So it's already happening. We can revisit this in 10 years and see who is right if you want. But they are already starting deliveries with drones. If it works I am sure they will be quick to start doing the same with trunk aircraft. The cost savings will be huge for them and they have a LOT of money to throw at the problem.
#23
Automated airport shuttles have been around since the 80s. There was probably a dude just like yourself pointing to those and the VNAV in those newfangled MD-80s as proof that pilots will be gone no later than 1990!
#24
What is already happening? Are you really comparing small drones delivering 5lbs packages to unmanned widebody freighters? Those aren't in the same universe. Between airplane technology, ATC technology, govt red tape and millions of other factors, we are a very long way from unmanned aircraft.
I can tell you I know of at least two companies who have been approved to start unmanned drone deliveries much larger than 5lbs. One has a Caravan size drone and is flying in Alaska. Check out Saberwing. I am friends some of their management. They are putting together a game changing system and they are already FAA approved.
We have military unmanned drones flying in US airspace every single day dealing with the antiquities of our current ATC system. The tech is already there and in use every single day. The "only" huddle is "govt red tape".
Its coming period dot. Could be next year, could be 10 years from now. But it's coming. You can believe it or not. I don't care what you believe. But the evidence is clear to me that it's not far off.
#25
Dude, I never said "ALL" pilots would be gone. I just said Amazon is looking to do most of their delivery via unmanned aircraft. That doesn't mean everyone here should start polishing their resumes. Just Amazon "plans" to do without pilots "at some point".
#26
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LOL, dude, I don't really have a dog in this fight.
I can tell you I know of at least two companies who have been approved to start unmanned drone deliveries much larger than 5lbs. One has a Caravan size drone and is flying in Alaska. Check out Saberwing. I am friends some of their management. They are putting together a game changing system and they are already FAA approved.
We have military unmanned drones flying in US airspace every single day dealing with the antiquities of our current ATC system. The tech is already there and in use every single day. The "only" huddle is "govt red tape".
Its coming period dot. Could be next year, could be 10 years from now. But it's coming. You can believe it or not. I don't care what you believe. But the evidence is clear to me that it's not far off.
I can tell you I know of at least two companies who have been approved to start unmanned drone deliveries much larger than 5lbs. One has a Caravan size drone and is flying in Alaska. Check out Saberwing. I am friends some of their management. They are putting together a game changing system and they are already FAA approved.
We have military unmanned drones flying in US airspace every single day dealing with the antiquities of our current ATC system. The tech is already there and in use every single day. The "only" huddle is "govt red tape".
Its coming period dot. Could be next year, could be 10 years from now. But it's coming. You can believe it or not. I don't care what you believe. But the evidence is clear to me that it's not far off.
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Just don’t forget to plug them in at the end of the night.
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#28
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All I see in this discussion is the reality that there will be a need for fewer delivery drivers in the distant future for a given number of deliveries. Not too many though, since all knowing Amazon sees a need for at least a 100,000 more. 🤔 The drones that UPS, Amazon, and FedEx are experimenting with under FAA waivers are package car driver replacements, not pilot replacements. Could you build a wide body autonomous drone with the ability to fly 200,000 lbs of crap from Shanghai to Louisville? Sure, but neither China nor the FAA would let you use it. Delivery companies take the path of least resistance (cheapest) when making long term choices. I don’t see Amazon investing in long range drones. Do you?
#29
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Whoever thinks drones will proliferate to the point of mass usage do not understand meteorology , physics , probability , aviation , geography , engineering , the law , noise sensitivity , accident risk , oh ... and IFR. Dohhhhhh
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