Part 121 Regs Question
10-15-2019, 07:43 PM
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Part 121 Regs Question
I had a discussion with a possible employer today who stated my 1,000 hrs PIC 'Commuter Airline' would not count towards the 1,000 hrs Part 121 PIC requirement; but it certainly does the way I read the FAR's.
121.436 "(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof."
135.243(a)(1) reads "(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation..."
Am I missing something or have the regs changed very recently?
121.436 "(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof."
135.243(a)(1) reads "(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation..."
Am I missing something or have the regs changed very recently?
10-15-2019, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora8
I had a discussion with a possible employer today who stated my 1,000 hrs PIC 'Commuter Airline' would not count towards the 1,000 hrs Part 121 PIC requirement; but it certainly does the way I read the FAR's.
121.436 "(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof."
135.243(a)(1) reads "(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation..."
Am I missing something or have the regs changed very recently?
121.436 "(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof."
135.243(a)(1) reads "(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation..."
Am I missing something or have the regs changed very recently?
10-18-2019, 11:16 PM
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I recently spoke with an FAA POI about this very subject regarding my flight times. As their Letter of Interp was given to them, “commuter airline” refers to an operation as PIC where utilizing the ATP license is required AND/OR the “commuter” holds out to the general public for flights that are scheduled in advance (I,e: pax can book a ticket from A to B at least three mos out).
My part 135 commuter time is considered on-demand, read cargo, and therefore does not qualify as time that will meet the FAA definition of commuter.
That’s my experience on the subject but it may very well differ with each FSDO. Good luck.
My part 135 commuter time is considered on-demand, read cargo, and therefore does not qualify as time that will meet the FAA definition of commuter.
That’s my experience on the subject but it may very well differ with each FSDO. Good luck.
10-19-2019, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by majorpilot
Wouldn’t Contour, JSX, Surf Air and other scheduled pax operators?
There are a few companies that run scheduled pax service on multi-engine props, but I did specifically say "larger" outfit. Cape is massive compared to the others that might qualify.
10-19-2019, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by majorpilot
That’ll be new to the folks I’ve seen boarding those Surf Air-logo’ed Pilatuses at Signature/KOAK in the last few weeks.
Surf doesn't even have a 135 certificate any more.
I think the latest is that they are operated by Advanced Air.
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