Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Cargo > Atlas/Polar
Atlas Q3 - That's not good. >

Atlas Q3 - That's not good.

Notices

Atlas Q3 - That's not good.

Old 11-01-2019, 07:23 AM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 611
Default

Originally Posted by zerozero View Post
I see you're an "ex" cargo dog. So I presume you "just left".

How nice.

But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.

He asked, "What's this all about?"

I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."

Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"

"Yup."

He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.

Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.

Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.

It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.

You're welcome.
That is right! To further your point...

"Just Leave"

I would have to ask, "Leave to go where?" Are you suggesting to leave for another airline where the pilot group already went through this sort of thing? So, in other words, let someone else do your heavy lifting.

What would it be like if everyone felt that way and acted accordingly? Would there be any place good to go work at? Would the airline pilot profession be a profession at all?
JonnyKnoxville is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 05:44 AM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,337
Default

Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
That is right! To further your point...

"Just Leave"

I would have to ask, "Leave to go where?" Are you suggesting to leave for another airline where the pilot group already went through this sort of thing? So, in other words, let someone else do your heavy lifting.

What would it be like if everyone felt that way and acted accordingly? Would there be any place good to go work at? Would the airline pilot profession be a profession at all?
Most of the investor-class in this country are anti-union to one degree or another. So while it's maddening to hear folks say "Just leave" or "You're at Atlas because you can't go anywhere else (Implying you're only worth a fraction of what other pilots are worth)", these are the personalities we have to recruit.

Perhaps framing our efforts in terms of an effort to help grow and right this place might be the pathway forward? First, it's true. We're trying to fix and grow this place for the benefit of all, including shareholders and managers. Second, it accelerates the process of putting shareholders on our side rather than seeing us as an enemy of profits.

There's a pretty direct line between safety issues and failure to grow. There's a pretty direct line between staffing issues an failure to grow/perform, too.

If we can illustrate that to the shareholders and maintain credibility we might get a lot more leverage to improve and build this company. Of course, I could be stupid. I'm probably stupid.
Elevation is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 06:27 AM
  #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 293
Default

Originally Posted by Elevation View Post
Most of the investor-class in this country are anti-union to one degree or another. So while it's maddening to hear folks say "Just leave" or "You're at Atlas because you can't go anywhere else (Implying you're only worth a fraction of what other pilots are worth)", these are the personalities we have to recruit.

Perhaps framing our efforts in terms of an effort to help grow and right this place might be the pathway forward? First, it's true. We're trying to fix and grow this place for the benefit of all, including shareholders and managers. Second, it accelerates the process of putting shareholders on our side rather than seeing us as an enemy of profits.

There's a pretty direct line between safety issues and failure to grow. There's a pretty direct line between staffing issues an failure to grow/perform, too.

If we can illustrate that to the shareholders and maintain credibility we might get

a lot more leverage to improve and build this company. Of course, I could be stupid. I'm probably stupid.

I must be stupid too. I agree with what you are saying, we are NOT the enemy of sucess and profit. We are the KEY to it. A motivated well trained and SAFE crew force especially in our segment of this business is essential. This airline could and should be a global force, we have become a global farce that should be used as a case model for the next generation of MBA's. "How to NOT run a publicly traded airline."
Atrasaty is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 08:06 AM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 684
Default

Great comments from Knoxville, Elevation and Atrasaty.

The problem is, that all assumes the execs truly WANT to run a company.

I'm not sure they do.
zerozero is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 08:29 AM
  #15  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 82
Default

Originally Posted by zerozero View Post
Great comments from Knoxville, Elevation and Atrasaty.

The problem is, that all assumes the execs truly WANT to run a company.

I'm not sure they do.
The board should give the executive positions to people who actually want to run a company and airline and make money for the shareholders.

But I guess that makes too much sense...
sandman22 is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 08:38 AM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 293
Default

Originally Posted by zerozero View Post
Great comments from Knoxville, Elevation and Atrasaty.

The problem is, that all assumes the execs truly WANT to run a company.

I'm not sure they do.
Nail head... Meet hammer. I couldn't agree more and have stated here repeatedly that this whole fight is about scope and the ability for our dark overlords in Purchase to enrich themselves at the expense of the pilots, employees and stockholders of AAWH. The owners of this company aka "the shareholders" need to be asking why their investment is dwindling for NO apparent reason when others are capitalizing at theirs and our expense. What we have is a corporate raid from within our own ranks. A mutant virus on the top floor in Purchase.
Atrasaty is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 08:41 AM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,796
Default

Originally Posted by sandman22 View Post
The board should give the executive positions to people who actually want to run a company and airline and make money for the shareholders.

But I guess that makes too much sense...
Board members are usually hand picked buddies of those charged with running the company and making the decisions...they will not speak up as long as the pay and perks continue.
nitefr8dog is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 09:48 AM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 684
Default

Originally Posted by Atrasaty View Post
Nail head... Meet hammer. I couldn't agree more and have stated here repeatedly that this whole fight is about scope and the ability for our dark overlords in Purchase to enrich themselves at the expense of the pilots, employees and stockholders of AAWH. The owners of this company aka "the shareholders" need to be asking why their investment is dwindling for NO apparent reason when others are capitalizing at theirs and our expense. What we have is a corporate raid from within our own ranks. A mutant virus on the top floor in Purchase.
Yes, but permit me to change the analogy from a virus to a tumor.

As the former CEO has "retired" to the Chairman of the Board position this thing has spread to the central nervous system and become malignant.

Can the tumor and all the associated disease still be cut out? Or has it become inoperable?

I give it one year to live. By then, the entire economy will be in the grips of a recession while simultaneously, UAL, DAL, FDX and UPS continue to poach Atlas/Southern crews.

It should be a slow sickly death.
Pray for a miracle.
zerozero is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 10:22 AM
  #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 109
Default

Originally Posted by zerozero View Post
I see you're an "ex" cargo dog. So I presume you "just left".

How nice.

But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.

He asked, "What's this all about?"

I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."

Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"

"Yup."

He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.

Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.

Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.

It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.

You're welcome.
He probably noticed all the fat middle age guys, walking in circles holding signs, and wondered if he had missed the party.
Bungalow is offline  
Old 11-02-2019, 11:14 AM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 672
Default

He just had to go grab his fanny pack and change in to his New Balance.
CardboardCutout is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
1st Supersonic
Atlas/Polar
20384
03-20-2024 10:15 PM
Lockheed
Cargo
86
11-03-2016 05:38 PM
DC8DRIVER
Cargo
6
03-24-2014 06:37 AM
jungle
Money Talk
48
12-28-2009 11:11 AM
StormChaser
Major
378
08-10-2009 12:25 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices