Atlas Q3 - That's not good.
#11
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I see you're an "ex" cargo dog. So I presume you "just left".
How nice.
But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.
He asked, "What's this all about?"
I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."
Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"
"Yup."
He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.
Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.
Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.
It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.
You're welcome.
How nice.
But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.
He asked, "What's this all about?"
I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."
Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"
"Yup."
He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.
Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.
Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.
It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.
You're welcome.
"Just Leave"
I would have to ask, "Leave to go where?" Are you suggesting to leave for another airline where the pilot group already went through this sort of thing? So, in other words, let someone else do your heavy lifting.
What would it be like if everyone felt that way and acted accordingly? Would there be any place good to go work at? Would the airline pilot profession be a profession at all?
#12
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,337
That is right! To further your point...
"Just Leave"
I would have to ask, "Leave to go where?" Are you suggesting to leave for another airline where the pilot group already went through this sort of thing? So, in other words, let someone else do your heavy lifting.
What would it be like if everyone felt that way and acted accordingly? Would there be any place good to go work at? Would the airline pilot profession be a profession at all?
"Just Leave"
I would have to ask, "Leave to go where?" Are you suggesting to leave for another airline where the pilot group already went through this sort of thing? So, in other words, let someone else do your heavy lifting.
What would it be like if everyone felt that way and acted accordingly? Would there be any place good to go work at? Would the airline pilot profession be a profession at all?
Perhaps framing our efforts in terms of an effort to help grow and right this place might be the pathway forward? First, it's true. We're trying to fix and grow this place for the benefit of all, including shareholders and managers. Second, it accelerates the process of putting shareholders on our side rather than seeing us as an enemy of profits.
There's a pretty direct line between safety issues and failure to grow. There's a pretty direct line between staffing issues an failure to grow/perform, too.
If we can illustrate that to the shareholders and maintain credibility we might get a lot more leverage to improve and build this company. Of course, I could be stupid. I'm probably stupid.
#13
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 293
Most of the investor-class in this country are anti-union to one degree or another. So while it's maddening to hear folks say "Just leave" or "You're at Atlas because you can't go anywhere else (Implying you're only worth a fraction of what other pilots are worth)", these are the personalities we have to recruit.
Perhaps framing our efforts in terms of an effort to help grow and right this place might be the pathway forward? First, it's true. We're trying to fix and grow this place for the benefit of all, including shareholders and managers. Second, it accelerates the process of putting shareholders on our side rather than seeing us as an enemy of profits.
There's a pretty direct line between safety issues and failure to grow. There's a pretty direct line between staffing issues an failure to grow/perform, too.
If we can illustrate that to the shareholders and maintain credibility we might get
a lot more leverage to improve and build this company. Of course, I could be stupid. I'm probably stupid.
Perhaps framing our efforts in terms of an effort to help grow and right this place might be the pathway forward? First, it's true. We're trying to fix and grow this place for the benefit of all, including shareholders and managers. Second, it accelerates the process of putting shareholders on our side rather than seeing us as an enemy of profits.
There's a pretty direct line between safety issues and failure to grow. There's a pretty direct line between staffing issues an failure to grow/perform, too.
If we can illustrate that to the shareholders and maintain credibility we might get
a lot more leverage to improve and build this company. Of course, I could be stupid. I'm probably stupid.
I must be stupid too. I agree with what you are saying, we are NOT the enemy of sucess and profit. We are the KEY to it. A motivated well trained and SAFE crew force especially in our segment of this business is essential. This airline could and should be a global force, we have become a global farce that should be used as a case model for the next generation of MBA's. "How to NOT run a publicly traded airline."
#15
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But I guess that makes too much sense...
#16
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Nail head... Meet hammer. I couldn't agree more and have stated here repeatedly that this whole fight is about scope and the ability for our dark overlords in Purchase to enrich themselves at the expense of the pilots, employees and stockholders of AAWH. The owners of this company aka "the shareholders" need to be asking why their investment is dwindling for NO apparent reason when others are capitalizing at theirs and our expense. What we have is a corporate raid from within our own ranks. A mutant virus on the top floor in Purchase.
#17
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Board members are usually hand picked buddies of those charged with running the company and making the decisions...they will not speak up as long as the pay and perks continue.
#18
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Nail head... Meet hammer. I couldn't agree more and have stated here repeatedly that this whole fight is about scope and the ability for our dark overlords in Purchase to enrich themselves at the expense of the pilots, employees and stockholders of AAWH. The owners of this company aka "the shareholders" need to be asking why their investment is dwindling for NO apparent reason when others are capitalizing at theirs and our expense. What we have is a corporate raid from within our own ranks. A mutant virus on the top floor in Purchase.
As the former CEO has "retired" to the Chairman of the Board position this thing has spread to the central nervous system and become malignant.
Can the tumor and all the associated disease still be cut out? Or has it become inoperable?
I give it one year to live. By then, the entire economy will be in the grips of a recession while simultaneously, UAL, DAL, FDX and UPS continue to poach Atlas/Southern crews.
It should be a slow sickly death.
Pray for a miracle.
#19
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 109
I see you're an "ex" cargo dog. So I presume you "just left".
How nice.
But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.
He asked, "What's this all about?"
I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."
Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"
"Yup."
He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.
Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.
Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.
It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.
You're welcome.
How nice.
But it reminds me of an encounter I had during an informational picket. A fat middle aged guy on a scooter tooled over to chat with me, a uniformed airline pilot, holding a picket sign.
He asked, "What's this all about?"
I gave my elevator pitch, "We're the pilots who fly for Amazon, DHL and the U.S. military trying to build awareness of our situation during contract negotiations."
Fat middle aged guy on a scooter answered, "So you're a union?"
"Yup."
He shoots back, "Get another job," and scooted off while looking over his shoulder at me.
Moral of the story: I EXPECT such cr&p from stupid outsiders. I don't expect it from fellow crew members.
Does it make sense for younger, junior guys to leave Atlas/Southern? Absolutely yes, in this job market.
It's not so easy for us older, more senior types. After all, if we older, more senior types don't fight for better working conditions in this hiring environment, then we're just allowing the bean counters to expedite the race to the bottom.
You're welcome.
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