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Old 01-01-2020, 06:50 PM
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Link to the testimony?
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Old 01-01-2020, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
The "RETURN TO FO" in all caps must have been really confusing for them.
Especially when you've only seen 5 or 6 hundred Mesa training documents over the course of your career at Atlas...

In her interview she said, "Well his house could've caught on fire or something..."... Of course she never asked him about it or called Mesa to ask what it meant. She never took it to SA or JD to ask them what it probably meant.

Atlas didn't ask at the time if you've ever failed an upgrade program and I believe they did ask that when I was hired in 2011. I could be wrong about that but I really think they did ask it. Nobody from the FAA asked her or SA how many people that get a "RETURN TO FO" at Atlas have their "House catch fire" and how many fail the training. Usually personal issues like that are "Call us when you've got your personal life in order. We've got your back."... Even at Atlas.

What I find really funny is that in the FAA interviews they spend all this time talking about how this happened to CA during training at Atlas and that happened to him that interrupted his training, but he still made it through. Most airlines will work with you if "Your house catches fire"... Usually you don't complete upgrade for other reasons and Atlas certainly knew that.
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What's coming will be a less-than-honest attempt to make this about the need for the PRD rather than negligence (at best) on our part. By making this about the PRD rather than our failure to adhere to the law or train effectively we're going to build a smokescreen to preserve the careers of leadership.

It's important we start a discussion now to head-off any kind of notion that this is about failures in FAA pilot records regulations rather than a failure of our general management and training culture. Until we acknowledge our failures, something we still haven't done to this day, we cannot improve. Reality can't be avoided indefinitely. The longer we, as a company, avoid facing the facts, the more painful our return to reality will be.
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Old 01-02-2020, 06:16 AM
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What's coming will be a less-than-honest attempt to make this about the need for the PRD rather than negligence (at best) on our part. By making this about the PRD rather than our failure to adhere to the law or train effectively we're going to build a smokescreen to preserve the careers of leadership.

It's important we start a discussion now to head-off any kind of notion that this is about failures in FAA pilot records regulations rather than a failure of our general management and training culture. Until we acknowledge our failures, something we still haven't done to this day, we cannot improve. Reality can't be avoided indefinitely. The longer we, as a company, avoid facing the facts, the more painful our return to reality will be.
It'll be interesting to see how it's handled next time. Nothing's changed so the next one is just a matter of time. Unfortunately...
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Link to the testimony?
https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/h...EC7294646BA690

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https://go.usa.gov/xp7gH
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Document 2... Look for DB in there. Her testimony is shockingly bad.
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Old 01-02-2020, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by espressoguy View Post
What are they currently hiring at TT and turbine?


I heard if you put your name and phone number in the application and get bored and don’t fill anything else out they will call you in.
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