K2 vote
05-08-2020, 04:02 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: B-737 capt
Posts: 59
Originally Posted by somewhereupther
perhaps the way I stated it is misleading.
Now let’s evaluate something.
1. Only 2 737s are outfitted for ADHOC, and one of those can only carry 7500lbs of widgets. Not true. 2 737-300s have reduced weights. they can only carry 3400lbs per section. but all of our 737s have the ad hoc floor that slides into place.
2. B737 crews rarely spend time in YIP. Not true as of Sept 2019. in fact, until a week or two ago the 737 crews had to buy their own hotel in yip to sit for ad hoc.
3. All K2 pilots are YIP based True
4. B737 crews get the $48/day per diem while flying DHL, or any other time they’re away from YIP. I think we all get the same per diem for regular flying. There are 2 727s in cvg flying DHL.
5. B727 crews did not get any per diem while sitting ADHOC in YIP except the $35/day incentive. The 737 crews got zero until recently, now we all get the same.
6. B737 crews work a 13/10 schedule with no overlapping of crew. True, and supposedly we are all going to a 14/14 soon.
7. B727 crews work a 16/12 schedule with 2 of the 16 overlapping each other. See above
So to review, B737 crews get per diem to fly scheduled DHL runs, or any other time they’re away from base (which is ALWAYS), while B727 crews get $0 for sitting in YIP for 144 hours of on call “legally available.” Not true. We all get per diem to fly DHL or anything that we fly. Now that we all get hotels provided for yip standby, none of us get per diem until we are activated or we are on the road .
B727 crews were being compensated the $35 to level the playing field. That’s just over $7k per annum now evaporated. Not sure how the $7k was calculated.
I’m failing to see how this is forward progress. Well, we are mixing 3 fleets that over the years each ended up with separate deals. The DC-9 guys are all on the 737 now, and soon the 727 guys will join us. I agree that this process is not perfect.
Perhaps the way I worded my response is slightly misleading, but the way you make it out to sound is entirely misleading to what actually happened.
Now let’s evaluate something.
1. Only 2 737s are outfitted for ADHOC, and one of those can only carry 7500lbs of widgets. Not true. 2 737-300s have reduced weights. they can only carry 3400lbs per section. but all of our 737s have the ad hoc floor that slides into place.
2. B737 crews rarely spend time in YIP. Not true as of Sept 2019. in fact, until a week or two ago the 737 crews had to buy their own hotel in yip to sit for ad hoc.
3. All K2 pilots are YIP based True
4. B737 crews get the $48/day per diem while flying DHL, or any other time they’re away from YIP. I think we all get the same per diem for regular flying. There are 2 727s in cvg flying DHL.
5. B727 crews did not get any per diem while sitting ADHOC in YIP except the $35/day incentive. The 737 crews got zero until recently, now we all get the same.
6. B737 crews work a 13/10 schedule with no overlapping of crew. True, and supposedly we are all going to a 14/14 soon.
7. B727 crews work a 16/12 schedule with 2 of the 16 overlapping each other. See above
So to review, B737 crews get per diem to fly scheduled DHL runs, or any other time they’re away from base (which is ALWAYS), while B727 crews get $0 for sitting in YIP for 144 hours of on call “legally available.” Not true. We all get per diem to fly DHL or anything that we fly. Now that we all get hotels provided for yip standby, none of us get per diem until we are activated or we are on the road .
B727 crews were being compensated the $35 to level the playing field. That’s just over $7k per annum now evaporated. Not sure how the $7k was calculated.
I’m failing to see how this is forward progress. Well, we are mixing 3 fleets that over the years each ended up with separate deals. The DC-9 guys are all on the 737 now, and soon the 727 guys will join us. I agree that this process is not perfect.
Perhaps the way I worded my response is slightly misleading, but the way you make it out to sound is entirely misleading to what actually happened.
05-08-2020, 04:58 PM
#112
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 140
Originally Posted by somewhereupther
To add to the evaluation:
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.
05-09-2020, 06:56 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B727 CA
Posts: 51
Originally Posted by Jetpowered
I apologize if I came across that way. We are all in this together and I do my best to help out any fellow crewmember.
i think perhaps the issue that the 737 group is failing to see is that the majority of flying for the 727 guys is adhoc flying, while the 737 guy predominantly fly in the DHL network.
Therefore there becomes the disparity in pay regarding per diem.
Although I understand (as it’s been told to me) the adhoc incentive was put in place to incentivize adhoc to 737 crews who were claiming tiredness as means to not fly adhoc.
You and I can find common ground in th3 following:
1. We are all just happy to be employed during this COVID stuff, and likely with a coming further economic downturn, we will be all grateful to DK for continuing to keep us employed.
2. There is room for improvement at K2 regarding a myriad of things.
What concerns me however is the representation that is the face of the pilot group. I personally don’t think it’s very professional of anyone to openly call their co-workers “idiots” and “morons” in the way a certain individual has. I think the pilot group can do better to find representatives that aren’t so personally hostile towards one another and can maintain professionalism.
05-09-2020, 05:18 PM
#115
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 29
Originally Posted by somewhereupther
To add to the evaluation:
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.
05-09-2020, 05:43 PM
#116
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 29
[QUOTE=somewhereupther;3051872]To add to the evaluation:
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.[/QUOTE
A 727 crewmember took a crap on the bed in the condo. Another ruined the carpet by getting grease or oil all over the carpet. You guys are vile and disgusting people.who are lucky to have a job here.
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.[/QUOTE
A 727 crewmember took a crap on the bed in the condo. Another ruined the carpet by getting grease or oil all over the carpet. You guys are vile and disgusting people.who are lucky to have a job here.
05-09-2020, 06:17 PM
#117
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 666
Originally Posted by ESPRIT
Show me one airline that pays $35 per diem as you sit in base. They all pay ZERO. Every single one of them.
05-10-2020, 01:35 AM
#118
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 29
[quote=esprit;3052643]
Originally Posted by somewhereupther
to add to the evaluation:
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than b727 crews but get paid more.
Again i fail to see how this is improvement.[/quote
a 727 crewmember took a crap on the bed in the condo. Another ruined the carpet by getting grease or oil all over the carpet. You guys are vile and disgusting people.who are lucky to have a job here.
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than b727 crews but get paid more.
Again i fail to see how this is improvement.[/quote
a 727 crewmember took a crap on the bed in the condo. Another ruined the carpet by getting grease or oil all over the carpet. You guys are vile and disgusting people.who are lucky to have a job here.
05-10-2020, 06:22 AM
#119
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by RyeMex
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but there are some. Atlas, for instance, pays per diem from the first time you report for duty Until the end of your last duty period, even if you’re just sitting hotel reserve all month.
05-10-2020, 03:43 PM
#120
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B727 CA
Posts: 51
[QUOTE=ESPRIT;3052643]
You the same guy who couldn’t “hack it” (got fired) from WN?
If so you’ve lost so much respect at the company due to your complete lack of professionalism and inability to carry on a conversation without using personal attacks.
If not, you probably know who I’m referring to.
Either way, your behavior on here is adolescent at best, as is clearly shown in the usage of your limited vocabulary, and as in the above example, inability to refrain from unprofessional name calling.
Take that FWIW.
Originally Posted by somewhereupther
To add to the evaluation:
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.[/QUOTE
A 727 crewmember took a crap on the bed in the condo. Another ruined the carpet by getting grease or oil all over the carpet. You guys are vile and disgusting people.who are lucky to have a job here.
B737 crews work 13 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Per diem equates to $48*13*13= $8112 of guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews work 16 days per bid period, there are 13 bid periods.
Adhoc per diem incentive equated to $35*16*13= $7280 of what was once guaranteed per diem.
B727 crews only got the extra $2/hr regular away from base per diem if they flew a trip.
B737 crews work less days than B727 crews but get paid more.
Again I fail to see how this is improvement.[/QUOTE
A 727 crewmember took a crap on the bed in the condo. Another ruined the carpet by getting grease or oil all over the carpet. You guys are vile and disgusting people.who are lucky to have a job here.
If so you’ve lost so much respect at the company due to your complete lack of professionalism and inability to carry on a conversation without using personal attacks.
If not, you probably know who I’m referring to.
Either way, your behavior on here is adolescent at best, as is clearly shown in the usage of your limited vocabulary, and as in the above example, inability to refrain from unprofessional name calling.
Take that FWIW.
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