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12-28-2019, 08:32 PM

#21

K2 Union Man

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I will join you if you can put in writing and guarantee what you are offering. Bet you can't. Your promise is comfort for a fool. What's going to stop management from file 13 all your promises. PLEASE don't fall for snake oil salesmen pawning some magic elixir.

12-29-2019, 11:48 AM

#22

dynap09

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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

Changing Unions right before negotiations would make zero sense!

My guess is they may actually want to get to a contract

I do hope they don't do the inhouse union thing, but whatever they do should be interesting to watch.

I'm not sure why the 1224 folks are calling the pilots "management stooges" for wanting to try another approach.

12-29-2019, 12:21 PM

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ESPRIT

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Originally Posted by K2 Union Man

You mean like what the Teamster's are selling us? 5 years and I heard not one single TA. Can you confirm this? We are years away from obtaining a contract if thats true.

Looks like the majority of pilots have lost faith in you and are ready to move on.

12-29-2019, 12:25 PM

#24

ESPRIT

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Originally Posted by dynap09

I'm not sure why the 1224 folks are calling the pilots "management stooges" for wanting to try another approach.

Yep...they are grasping for straws.

12-29-2019, 01:41 PM

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sandman22

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Originally Posted by ESPRIT

Yep...they are grasping for straws.

I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how you know that the party primarily responsible for a lack of a contract is 1224.

12-29-2019, 05:16 PM

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ESPRIT

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Originally Posted by sandman22

You haven't switched to a "different, better union" yet have you? And who knows if you will? Did you ever consider that management might be the primary reason why you don't have a new contract?

More than 60% voted for decertification...you think anything will change between now and when the window closes? Did you ever consider that there is a better way to obtaining a payraise than using the Teamsters?

12-29-2019, 05:26 PM

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ESPRIT

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Originally Posted by sandman22

I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how you know that the party primarily responsible for a lack of a contract is 1224.

I personally know all the union representatives...not the sharpest tools in the shed. Nothing against those guys, we are just looking for new leadership.

12-29-2019, 06:43 PM

#28

sandman22

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Originally Posted by ESPRIT

Of course. But you keep claiming that 1224 is responsible for the lack of any TA'd items and I'm wondering why you blame the union and not management? You still haven't explained how you know it's all the union's fault.