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corpjet 01-16-2020 07:39 AM

what does "grandfathered" mean
 
ALOHA airlines publishes the following requirement for Captain on its webpage:
"1,000 hours flying under FAA (U.S.A.) Part 121 as SIC, or FAA Part 135 as PIC (unless “grandfathered”)"
New on this, what does "grandfathered" means exactly.
Thanks

opt0712 01-16-2020 07:56 AM

I thought Aloha Airlines ceased operations in 2008?

rickair7777 01-16-2020 08:00 AM

It means you have to meet the FAR requirements for 121 PIC.

There is a provision to grandfather folks who don't meet the time requirements but were actually serving as a 121 PIC on the effective date. If you served as a PIC prior to but not on the effective date, I understand they will waiver that but you'd have to apply, it's not automatic.


121.436 Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.

(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:

(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in § 61.167 of this chapter;

(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and

(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

Twin Wasp 01-16-2020 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 2958016)
I thought Aloha Airlines ceased operations in 2008?

The cargo operation survived the bankruptcy and still operates some 737 freighters.

opt0712 01-16-2020 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 2958126)
The cargo operation survived the bankruptcy and still operates some 737 freighters.

Ah nice. Thank you.

Reactivity 01-16-2020 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by corpjet (Post 2957985)
ALOHA airlines publishes the following requirement for Captain on its webpage:
"1,000 hours flying under FAA (U.S.A.) Part 121 as SIC, or FAA Part 135 as PIC (unless “grandfathered”)"
New on this, what does "grandfathered" means exactly.
Thanks

That wasn't Aloha you were looking at. That was Transair.

corpjet 01-17-2020 02:29 PM

thanks everybody for their responses.

Rama 01-17-2020 03:01 PM

Aloha Air Cargo is owned by NAC.

corpjet 01-18-2020 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Reactivity (Post 2958343)
That wasn't Aloha you were looking at. That was Transair.

I stand corrected it was Transair. Thanks


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