Ups Pilot Contract
10-18-2005, 07:51 AM
#11
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UPS CPT, that's the ignorance that exists among many in our group!
Big Brown, I stand corrected on the annual increases. The financial types are forecasting 3% plus inflation over the next 5 years.
That said, we need to look at a balanced contract, and when a balanced contract looks excellent, we'll vote it in.
Will we get everything everyone of us is demanding? Hardly.
Big Brown, I stand corrected on the annual increases. The financial types are forecasting 3% plus inflation over the next 5 years.
That said, we need to look at a balanced contract, and when a balanced contract looks excellent, we'll vote it in.
Will we get everything everyone of us is demanding? Hardly.
10-18-2005, 08:19 AM
#12
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UPS CPT,
I did misread the payscale of FedEx, they do make $206 an hour. Its ABX that is making $239 an hour. I know that ABX's guarentee is lower than ours, I dont have a problem with them lowering ours and maybe then we would have to hire many more pilots and upgrades will come quicker.
So are your saying your happy with $240 an hour? I think the company offered us more than that on the mid term contract. I know for the person on the outside looking in, $240 is a large leap from where we are at currently, but thats only because the company got us cheap on the last contract and has been living the dream of cheap labor since then. If we sign a contact this time for $240 hour, we'll be cheap labor again from the get/go and have to live with it for 10-12 years and UPS will be laughing all the way to the bank.
As far as the COLA issue, IMHO, a 3% COLA increase is still too low.
BBDC8
I did misread the payscale of FedEx, they do make $206 an hour. Its ABX that is making $239 an hour. I know that ABX's guarentee is lower than ours, I dont have a problem with them lowering ours and maybe then we would have to hire many more pilots and upgrades will come quicker.
So are your saying your happy with $240 an hour? I think the company offered us more than that on the mid term contract. I know for the person on the outside looking in, $240 is a large leap from where we are at currently, but thats only because the company got us cheap on the last contract and has been living the dream of cheap labor since then. If we sign a contact this time for $240 hour, we'll be cheap labor again from the get/go and have to live with it for 10-12 years and UPS will be laughing all the way to the bank.
As far as the COLA issue, IMHO, a 3% COLA increase is still too low.
BBDC8
10-18-2005, 09:34 AM
#14
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Big Brown,
I would love to have $280 an hour to start with our next contract, but I have to be realistic. If $240 is what it ends up being, or even $230, if we get COLA-type increases over 5 years, that's $40 higher at the end. The initial $230 or $240 is now greater than $270. $270 for an end of contract rate would definitely meet most pilots' expectations.
I would love to have $280 an hour to start with our next contract, but I have to be realistic. If $240 is what it ends up being, or even $230, if we get COLA-type increases over 5 years, that's $40 higher at the end. The initial $230 or $240 is now greater than $270. $270 for an end of contract rate would definitely meet most pilots' expectations.
10-18-2005, 07:42 PM
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Im not trying to go against the grain here, Im part of the IPA and I will do what the EB says to do. I have said it before, and Ill say it again, the only numbers we should be looking at are the pre-9/11 numbers from UAL and DAL. Why?, those were the numbers (pay) mentioned in the Mid-term contract that both the company and the Union agreed were the industry standard... UPS was and is willing to pay industry leading money and I think now is the time to make a stand. Today is the correction point, not tomorrow!!!
I agree with atleast a 5% COLA. You are right, Ill look at the contract as a whole and make my decisions then.
BBDC8
I agree with atleast a 5% COLA. You are right, Ill look at the contract as a whole and make my decisions then.
BBDC8
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