Ups Pilot Contract
 

Hearing That The Company Has A 1.3 Bil/8 Year Proposal On The Table. Does Anyone Else Have Any Info?

I have heard that ballpark figure as well. I guess that converts to roughly a 30% pay raise? That'd be a nice figure to see. Hopefully newhire pay could crack 3k/month!

8 years?, Thats a DOA from me. 8 years actually means 10-12 if our current contract is anything to reference... The pay numbers I can think about, but we need to be realistic about the length.

To my Brown Brothers: Remember, there are many facets to a contract besides hourly rates. High hourly rates can be washed out by poor work rules. Look at the whole package. Good Luck! We are right there, too!

Regards,
Clutch

Ups Would Never Violate Work Rules, Would They?

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Well, I would have to look at the whole agreement first, not throwing out a "No" just because of a long contract.

What if we got top industry rates, 3% raise per year for 8 years, our B scale gets the axe, our retirement leads the industry, our scope is ironclad, and scheduling vastly improved? That kind of contract would be voted in by 80%.

There in lies the problem, unfortunately, you're willing to settle for all that you posted and a lousey 3% inc that doesnt even cover cost of living increases. Now, if you made that a 5% inc with everything else you said, I would consider it.

You know as well as I do that an 8 year contract will actually equal 10-12 years and of course as soon as we start neg again, our union dues will go up and then where will your 3% be???

I hear guys talking about how they would be happy with $240 an hour for a 12 year Capt and I think these guys must be nuts! $240 an hour for the 747-400 or A380, talk about being generous. Hell, FedEx is already making $240 an hour and this is what we want to shoot for as an industry leading contract? I sincerly hope that FedEx settles their contract first so that we have a more realistic number for some of the pilots in our membership to see...

BBDC8

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Where Did You Get The 240/hr At Fedex Right Now? I Thought It Was 206/hr.

UPS CPT, that's the ignorance that exists among many in our group!

Big Brown, I stand corrected on the annual increases. The financial types are forecasting 3% plus inflation over the next 5 years.

That said, we need to look at a balanced contract, and when a balanced contract looks excellent, we'll vote it in.

Will we get everything everyone of us is demanding? Hardly.

UPS CPT,

I did misread the payscale of FedEx, they do make $206 an hour. Its ABX that is making $239 an hour. I know that ABX's guarentee is lower than ours, I dont have a problem with them lowering ours and maybe then we would have to hire many more pilots and upgrades will come quicker.

So are your saying your happy with $240 an hour? I think the company offered us more than that on the mid term contract. I know for the person on the outside looking in, $240 is a large leap from where we are at currently, but thats only because the company got us cheap on the last contract and has been living the dream of cheap labor since then. If we sign a contact this time for $240 hour, we'll be cheap labor again from the get/go and have to live with it for 10-12 years and UPS will be laughing all the way to the bank.

As far as the COLA issue, IMHO, a 3% COLA increase is still too low.


BBDC8

Max Widebody, 15 years=$206 hour

Big Brown,

I would love to have $280 an hour to start with our next contract, but I have to be realistic. If $240 is what it ends up being, or even $230, if we get COLA-type increases over 5 years, that's $40 higher at the end. The initial $230 or $240 is now greater than $270. $270 for an end of contract rate would definitely meet most pilots' expectations.

There IS going to be COLA+ language in the contract to GUARANTEE an actual RAISE.

Im not trying to go against the grain here, Im part of the IPA and I will do what the EB says to do. I have said it before, and Ill say it again, the only numbers we should be looking at are the pre-9/11 numbers from UAL and DAL. Why?, those were the numbers (pay) mentioned in the Mid-term contract that both the company and the Union agreed were the industry standard... UPS was and is willing to pay industry leading money and I think now is the time to make a stand. Today is the correction point, not tomorrow!!!

I agree with atleast a 5% COLA. You are right, Ill look at the contract as a whole and make my decisions then.


BBDC8