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Old 05-20-2020, 01:56 AM
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Love the sentiment from this former regional D-bag. So, a virus affecting anything the world has ever seen before has decimated your industry and now you want a job with us? No way. How do you look at yourself in the mirror or look at your kids? You are a pilot flying from point a to b. Did a UAL pilot pork your wife or something? A southwest guy make fun of you? Fred must be so proud of you to have you on the team.
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Old 05-20-2020, 04:25 AM
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FedEx/UPS/ACMI and Guard/Reserve units, application overflow or positions already filled for the most part on the latter. Legitimate question regarding - Why are you here? Didn’t most of us get that one even during the better times when everyone was in the black and hiring! Good friend of mine with 6 years seniority at UA just started his full-time gig last month back at our Guard unit with a signing bonus. Great foresight maybe, but those positions are not advertised nor filled via the process very quickly, great move on his part. Having done those hiring boards it’s quite easy to see who wants to be here (wherever you’re applying) and who personally needs to be here if you will. Combination of both is the norm. Honesty is obviously the best policy and it’s no-brainer why apps are piling up to the ceiling. Really hope the current line pilots at whatever outfit you are can submit names as great references for priority handling if you will (Good differentiator). We all want to fly with good folks. It must be tough to be on the hiring board during lean or fat times depending on your perspective. Fortune favors the bold AND may the forces of evil become confused on your path to success.

*Unfortunate times for most but my guess is the poster of the “Considering jumping ship” thread (Leave FedEx for the Big 3) had his decision made for him. Tough stuff when lifestyle isn’t working out, but fortunate not to pull chocks prior to this blowout. Opportunity will knock again when this economy has its “fix-a-flat!” Life perspective based on historical value paves your future.

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Old 05-21-2020, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Moosefire View Post
oh there’s a reason it goes that junior.
Yep. It because it pays FedEx's "narrow body rate" which is well below what a UPS 757 Captain makes and is below Delta, United and American 757 Captain's hourly pay scales.
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Old 05-21-2020, 03:11 AM
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FDX was the first of those five airlines to get its most recent CBA/raise though, right?
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Old 05-21-2020, 08:47 AM
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FDX was the first of those five airlines to get its most recent CBA/raise though, right?

Third I think. It was United, American, FedEx, UPS, Delta, in that order. And amendable dates are, United, American, Delta, FedEx, UPS, in that order. Although I think all but FedEx had pay raise extensions, so those may not be the original amendable order. So a couple of those airlines have had two pay raises since FedEx’s contract. And if it wasn’t for the pandemic, America and United were on their way to get their second/third one as well.

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Old 05-21-2020, 08:56 AM
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I think UAL got a decent bump in hourly rates via their “me too” clause after Delta’s TA2 passed, and AA got an 8% bump in 2017/2018.
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Old 05-21-2020, 08:59 AM
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I think UAL got a decent bump in hourly rates via their “me too” clause after Delta’s TA2 passed, and AA got an 8% bump in 2017/2018.

And UPS just recently ratified theirs as well.

All this to say that I agree with what the other poster said about the FDX 757 pay rates, they are lower than everyone else.
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
Yep. It because it pays FedEx's "narrow body rate" which is well below what a UPS 757 Captain makes and is below Delta, United and American 757 Captain's hourly pay scales.
I think what drives it junior is WB FO pay isn’t that much less with better seniority than NB CA.
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Originally Posted by FXLAX View Post
And UPS just recently ratified theirs as well.

All this to say that I agree with what the other poster said about the FDX 757 pay rates, they are lower than everyone else.
They are now but were not when the CBA was ratified in 2015. General statement: I love when people compare 5 year old contracts to current contracts that used ours to pattern off of. Plus who cares about just the hourly rate lets look at the whole enchilada. Now don't get me wrong hourly rate is a portion of your compensation but its just a portion. I'm sure the company would be glad to pay us $15 more an hour than any other 757 rate if we are willing to give up the pension. Lets dig deeper. Look at the pattern as future contracts were negotiated off of our late 2014 ratified rates.

10 year Capt pay rate

AA- $287
UA- $279
FDX- $265

Now ask how long and at what longevity does one need to be at to hold those rates even pre covid-19 at UA, DL, and AA. As for UPS they went to a "it all pays the same model". That has its pros and cons also but is a realistic argument to say it may be the best with an operation like theirs which has a much more equally weighted wide body to narrow body count as compared to us at FedEx.

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Old 05-22-2020, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay View Post
They are now but were not when the CBA was ratified in 2015. General statement: I love when people compare 5 year old contracts to current contracts that used ours to pattern off of. Plus who cares about just the hourly rate lets look at the whole enchilada. Now don't get me wrong hourly rate is a portion of your compensation but its just a portion. I'm sure the company would be glad to pay us $15 more an hour than any other 757 rate if we are willing to give up the pension. Lets dig deeper. Look at the pattern as future contracts were negotiated off of our late 2014 ratified rates.

10 year Capt pay rate

AA- $287
UA- $279
FDX- $265

Now ask how long and at what longevity does one need to be at to hold those rates even pre covid-19 at UA, DL, and AA. As for UPS they went to a "it all pays the same model". That has its pros and cons also but is a realistic argument to say it may be the best with an operation like theirs which has a much more equally weighted wide body to narrow body count as compared to us at FedEx.
Exactly. There are many a local junior 75 CA sitting RA for $250+ an hour. What Major provides that opportunity under 3.5 years?

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