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Are the EDDP SIDs entirely outside Class C airspace for that portion in which heavy aircraft are typically below 10,000’?

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Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 3055377)

Are the EDDP SIDs entirely outside Class C airspace for that portion in which heavy aircraft are typically below 10,000’?

if you look closely, the airspace around EDDP is class D airspace up to FL75. So 250kt below FL100 do apply. Between FL75 and FL100 is class E. After that class C but then you are already above FL100.

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Originally Posted by lgaflyer (Post 3055378)

regardless of what airspace is in or around EDDP, the local ATC HAS decided that ALL aircraft will maintain 250kts or less to 10 000', unless an emergency exists.
Believe me all the arguments have been made to them

it just is what it is...accept it

So are you guys arguing that it is unsafe to do out of LAX, but it is safe in Leipzig?

11 pages about requesting "High Speed"?
Really? I'm going to request it every time just to annoy everyone.

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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 3055028)

:D Are you really holding up Panama and the DR as benchmarks for ATC procedures? Find the phrase “high speed“ in any aviation reference and please provide it. We won’t hold our breath. Maybe the PTY or SDQ controllers are saying the same thing. “These pilots come in and request or accept high speed, They seem to like that phraseology so we’ll keep using it. Must be right”.

Ah....no. in response to your request to "not ask for high speed outside the US" ....I was simply stating that those country's "outside the US" appear to like that phraseology. We are not talking about world peace or a cure for Covid 19 relax...don't shoot the messenger.

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Originally Posted by ImmaAHole (Post 3055934)

11 pages about requesting "High Speed"?
Really? I'm going to request it every time just to annoy everyone.

I'm with you AHole. I'm now also going to request 240 instead of 250 because that's what Boeing defaults to. I'm also considering asking for vectors to the visual and progressive taxi everywhere I go just to annoy people.

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Originally Posted by dera (Post 3054639)

Highly recommend a refresher course in aircraft performance.
How do you climb in a speed restricted SID?
Pro tip: ALL SIDs are 250/10 unless otherwise charted. There are no unknowns. You are not legal to fly if you can't meet that criteria.

Can you point to a source document which says ALL sids require 250knots below 10,000'?

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Originally Posted by dundem (Post 3054640)

I am aware of the math. I have gotten many a blank stare in the past so I posted the charts. If you knew that before, why did you ask and continue to ask for some other type of performance chart. Read your VSI and you'll know whether you'll meet the climb gradients or not.

Please tell me you aren't flying passengers.

YOU MUST KNOW BEFORE ACCEPTING A SID whether you can meet the required climb gradient!! Otherwise you could hit terrain or obstacles.

Those charts aren't climb performance for your jet!!

I would like to add two comments: First, I agree with everyone that exceeding 250 below 10,000' is legal in the US if required for flap retraction. However, in the case of ORD, the SID says maintain 250 knots until advised. So, this restriction is not one that is covered by the previously mentioned blanket allowance for exceeding 250 below 10,000'. Frequently the restriction is not removed until 12,000 or 13,000. This one has to do with spacing for ATC. Tell ATC your minimum required speed for climbout before takeoff, don't surprise departure by springing it on them, as you may be told that they need you to maintain 250 for spacing until advised, and then you would need to leave the flaps at one degree. Guess how I know this.

Second, in Japan's airspace the limit is not 250 below 10,000', it is 250 knots AT OR BELOW 10,000'. If your clearance is to 10,000', you are not automatically allowed to accelerate to a faster speed for your climb while level at 10,000'. Also, when cleared to descend to 10,000', you are required to slow to 250 by the time you level off at 10,000'. On the other hand, in Japan the ATC controllers are allowed to grant higher speeds on request, traffic permitting, and will normally do so.

Joe