Amazon Aircraft Leases
 

Just leased another 12 aircraft from ATSG...that's like 50 total.

Who gonna crew em?
you guys or ATI

Probably depends on who is willing to give up more contract wise...Inam guessing ATI

Lol, Atlas, ABX, ATI, 21 Air, Dynamic. Take your pick. ATI isn’t going to be “giving” in to anything nerd. Not if my vote has anything to say about it. Remember guys article just says leasing will be done by ATSG nothing about who will operate them. Last time I checked neither Titan or CAM ran airlines.

Amazon leased 10 additional aircraft from CAM in 2019 and 2020, and placed all at ATI, plus 2 from Atlas plus one more from the new contract. Things went basically-smoothly, so they went back to ATSG for the next round of 12 leases. We say it over and over on here and nobody wants to hear it: it isn't about price, it's about reliability.

In fact, ABX's pilots ran the numbers and realized that their carrier is actually the cheaper one compared to ATI. Yet ATI will end 2020 flying 13 additional aircraft for Amazon over the prior two years. I don't know whether ATSG will try to place some of the next dozen with ABX or not. Maybe even they don't know. But I can tell you which carrier I would bet on getting at least half of the 2021 aircraft.

ATI has had a basically-good rapport with its pilots; Atlas and ABX haven't. ATI isn't running to the media every Peak complaining about how "tired" and dangerous and inexperienced and "an accident waiting to happen" its pilots are, and how Bobby might not get his fire truck for Christmas. ATI didn't SHOP or BOOT, intentionally-interfering with reliability. Amazon isn't going to be using 21 Air or Dynamic, likely ever, because unlike DHL, apparently, Amazon's overarching concern is reliability. If they have a contractor that's getting the job done, the contractor gets more business. If not, then not. Atlas couldn't staff the 767s, so two went to ATI, which could. Southern couldn't staff five 737s nor manage to operate them within more than a very-limited group of city-pairs while its pilots earned time, so 10 are going to Sun Country, which in a matter of days has already started running 737 flights to SJU. The "hold them hostage" tactics completely-failed, because management played hardball back and was willing to lose business to do so until the music stopped. Stupid of management, in my view, but there you are. In the meantime, the music did stop, as it always does -- from something -- in the airline business, and now the hardball-playing carriers have lots of potential pilots, but still terrible labor-relations. Would you give them more business? Why borrow the trouble?

hey look, I genuinely hope we can work together going forward and ATI has “seen the light” but you guys signed a contract that undercut ABX’s already concessionary contract during a period of unprecedented pilot leverage to try and grab all the business so don’t try to get all snarky and defensive when people act nervous about what you guys might do next. Ya’ll have got some work to do to regain the trust and respect of your peers (not just abx). Lets not even talk about your leadership fighting against the single carrier petition.

The Super Cargo Whipsaw is coming! I hope you ATI pilots enjoy it!

?? - Is this real? The petition for have the teamsters local take over? The same local that is constantly in the news (again in this article) talking about a) how terrible the customer treats them, b) how they may not be able to deliver c) that takes packages customer is trying to ship hostage during a surprise strike, that constantly talks down the ATI pilot group?

My guess is near zero chance ATI pilot group is going to "see the light" and join the teamsters local.

There....fixed it for you!

I don't think AAWH is going to have any trouble staffing much of anything for the forseeable future...