RyeMex

Did you want to disagree with something in particular that the guy posted? Or do you just have some personal grudge against the dude? The post that you quoted seemed pretty well thought out to me.

Adlerdriver

FDR data isn't quite as "mysterious" as you seem to think. The control column in front of the FO made specific flight control inputs as did the Captain's, sometimes in the opposite direction. Who did what is pretty easy to figure out from there.
The FO was incompetent and with his control column, put the aircraft in an unrecoverable dive. The FDR data supports this along with the CVR info. Are you really suggesting that there's some other possible conclusion to this event given the CVR audio and FDR data evidence along with the external video available? Or do you just want the ability to watch two pilots live their last 20 seconds doing what the FDR confirms they did?

SilentLurker

Ding ding ding! Bingo!

Vail opened up on that guy & his “wife’s” views huh???? It’s a freaking shame.


Incompetence has nothing to do with race, sex, or religion. To think otherwise is racist/prejudice, misogynistic, and narcissism. & his wife should read the definition of those words and look in the mirror, then seek understanding that being a bad pilot or a good pilot has nothing to do with any race, sex.

White male that are terrible pilots and have training record with multiple failures have been hired by every airline multiple times over the years. So ‘s comments were at minimum bias & simply prejudice, heck technically even racist at the minimum. His statements are moot to me!
Some people can’t see what they are because they don’t self-evaluate. Who I am?Why am I negatively biased to others that are different (race, sex, religion, or culture).

Adlerdriver

True statement. But the rest of your post ignores the reality that some incompetent pilots are hired because of their race or their sex. It would be great if that weren’t the case, But history both recent and past is full of examples that support that fact. You want to call out Blackhawk because he didn’t word his post quite right, go ahead. But it still reflects reality. I don’t care what color or sex an incompetent pilot is, they shouldn’t be hired. The ones that are white and male get hired because either the company is desperate and willing to ignore their shortcomings or the incompetent pilot is deceptive and the current PRIA system fails. Once they’re in the door, how much slack they’re cut by the company training department is also a possible failure of the system. The exact same scenario and hire of an incompetent could play out with a minority. But you are living in a fantasy world if you don’t acknowledge the possibility that that minority was hired because of their status and not a failure of someone to screen them properly. Find an example of an incompetent, under-qualified pilot that was hired only because they were white and male. My guess is that will be pretty hard to do. Now do the same for a minority. Not so difficult is it?

Gloriousprofits

sorry but this has nothing to do with affirmative action, and everything to do with putting warm bodies in seats at all cost and any risk. AAWH has nothing to prove and no one to appease about labor peace or political correctness. NOTHING. AAWH just want bodies in seats be dammed if they have a clown nose, or a cracker jack resume. That’s why it’s appalling that the company is not bearing any responsibility for this accident, and so demeaning to the group of competent experienced professional pilots on the seniority list prior to Amazon meddling.

Blackhawk

Where did I say anything about incompetence having anything to do with race, sex or religion? BTW, the Colgan crash did involve a female. The cases with my wife in medicine were female, but not "minority" female. As a matter of fact, one of the best surgeons to graduate was a black female. The cases had nothing to do with a "corner on the market of incompetence" by minorities. It had to do with the females being passed through while some white males were not. And that was what infuriated her. That there was a fear of not passing female residents instead of treating them like anyone else.
And that right there is the problem. This FO was given a bunch of chances at many different airlines. Was there a PC culture involved? No idea. But this pilot wasn't just having a bad day. He was a really poor pilot who, for some reason, kept getting hired. But it's the elephant in the room no one can discuss or they are accused of being racist.

Adlerdriver

if that’s what you took away from my comments, then your lack of reading comprehension is astounding.
SilentLurker’s post to which I was responding ignored the fact that any minority had ever been hired because they were a minority. I was simply pointing out that it has happened and it is disingenuous to pretend it has not. That’s not racism, it’s a statement of factual history.
I was not attempting to imply that GT 3591 had anything to do with race. As someone else said this is very likely a matter of just trying to find warm bodies to fill seats.

Elevation

I agree. What do you think the pathway forward is from here?

zerozero

Yup. Every bit of this.

Gloriousprofits

Well I lost all faith in the regulators about 4 years ago. I believe the path forward is the company/amazon being held accountable by the FAA/NTSB, however the investigation makes the company out as the victim.

Unfortunately now there is some very qualified talent on the street that AAWH will exploit for a couple years likely keeping another airplane out of the dirt for the mean time. The can got kicked a couple years while AAWH and AMZN can continue taking advantage of good Americans.