Almost got number three.... Darn!
 

Those 10° crosswinds will get you everytime!!

Hitting the inboard pod takes some serious doing.

Back in the day, a pilot conducting a go-around in a 727-200 series, managed to nail the tail skid and a wingtip stinger light. Now that’s talent.

Closer to 30 degree @ 40Kts right? Still what a mess.

Keep on hiring those 2800tt regional jet guys . Great job

Could have been you if you hadn’t no-showed the Jan class.

Yes, at peak. Wind is true, Rwy HDG is mag. Wind speed is in meters/sec. Somebody did the math in the comments.

Bad time to burn bridges in cargo. NEVER burn bridges.

True 2 weeks is better deal for sure

Good point tired Tired soul only problem is I didn’t know about the Jan class till March. Know I understand how someone must feel when he is convicted of a crime he didn’t commit.

Wow... I'd assumed it was a massive crosswind but it looks like the winds were right down the runway with 10 knot gusts. I'm sure it was a somewhat tricky approach but that doesn't sound that cosmic... I wonder if someone completely chopped the power...

More like 28G40......no doubt low level turbulence .

Incident: Atlas B744 at Shanghai on Aug 5th 2020, triple engine pod strike

Oh yeah... Definitely a tricky approach but since they were mostly down the runway... I'll be interested to hear what happened on this one because I'm trying to wrap my brain around how you strike 3 pods. As has already been mentioned it's difficult to do that... They either bounced and wing rocked or I'm wondering if it's possible for the wings to flex on an insanely hard landing.

I've flown with the Captain involved in this incident a few times, and he seemed like a good stick. The winds in PVG do some strange things midfield where T3 & T4 bisect the field between terminals, especially when they're strong and gusty. Maybe that was a factor.

did the F/O do the landing though?

No idea. I was digging through Hawk looking for a post flight report in the Messages, but didn't see one.

My sources say it was the FO's landing

Do we really want to evaluating this event here with snippets of second and third hand information? Are we really being fair to our own pilots? The data will come out with QAR data, and through the work of if the ERC. Once the real facts are established then we'll be able to say something intelligently.

These crewmembers are dealing with a lot today. Speculation is a natural part of these events, so I don't judge anyone for wondering what happened. Still, it's not helpful at this point. Perhaps it may be time to get some message out to dial back the speculation til the facts emerge? The union has done this in the past

Allow the ASAP and TAP ROOT processes run their course... Just saying.

Underachiever. Real freight dogs get em all at once.

Good advice.

Inboard pod with 2-3 degrees pitch down and 5-7 degrees bank?
I’d have to check the tables again but it’s not excessive.

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I have heard stories of Atlas chief pilots questioning crewmembers after go arounds. I always felt that this type of questioning could lead to pilots continuing unstable approaches when the best course of action is to go around and try again. Could they have been trying to save an unstable approach in gusty winds, just to avoid scrutiny from a chief pilot?

I'm by no means a "company man", but have never been questioned about a go-around, or ever heard about anyone being questioned for a go-around here. It's quite the opposite, actually. They're adamant about being stable at the 1000' gate, and hammer it hard during training.

The story I heard might be an isolated incident and purely anecdotal, I should say. But if it happened once, is it plausible that it only happened once? But it’s refreshing to hear that you personally haven’t had that experience.

22 years at Atlas, both fleets, and I have never heard of such a thing.

I understand your pain. But I'll point out that others can learn from the lesson...

Employers (all sectors) are very oriented to hiring through the digital sphere. If job hunting you must carefully manage every single aspect of your digital presence, including social media, email, etc to present the good impression that you want to make. No sympathy from the HR ladies, most of who are millenials now anyway and consider digital faux paus to be a sign of boomers who they actively want to avoid.

For email, use a professional appearing email with a reputable domain: ex: [email protected]. Not [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], etc. Don't use disposable email domains.

Make sure you can recover it if you get locked out, check your spam daily (it usually auto-deletes after 30 days). Use an email you custom-made for professional purposes. Don't use an organizational email, you'll lose it when you leave and don't have control of spam filters. Make sure you email is not associated on the webs with anything that will be perceived as bad or controversial (including politics). You can rarely undo those kind of associations, so if in doubt delete an old email and create a new one. If you've had an email for a long time, try googling it to see what it's associated with (you might be unpleasantly surprised).

I havent heard of this. We have a no-fault go-around policy here like most airlines. Our verbiage of that policy requests but does not require reports after a go around. (We can discuss the merits and lack thereof of this requested report at some length.)

Perhaps your friend was getting a response on the report he filed rather than a "Why did you miss?" call?

Perhaps. This could entirely be the case.

You all obviously have much more insight into the flying culture at Atlas than I do, so I’ll defer to your opinions based on your first hand knowledge, and not my 3rd hand hearsay!

I work here and I don't have much more insight. Actually i was speculating out loud, which is something I said was bad to do just a few posts back. I'm being hypocrite and a blow-hard again.

Regardless I hope your friend is doing well.

Don't worry, Elevation. We're all pilots here, so being a blow-hard hypocrite just sort of naturally happens. Pull up a chair, grab a drink, and light up a cigar... :D

Just think, only another year or two before some of those *fully vetted* 2017-2019 hires find the left seat. Hold onto your butts.