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Old 12-13-2020, 08:32 AM
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For 2020, UPS is forecasting a total company revenue equal to $44,058 per each UPS employee.

FedEx is forecasting total company revenue equal to $282,518 for each FedEx employee.

Atlas Air is forecasting total company revenue equal to $864,232 for each Atlas Air employee.

Atlas will remain profitable with an industry standard pilot contract.
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Delta signed an LOA with their pilots to prevent furloughs. 1788 pilots will now be placed on “No Fly Status” and collect 30 hours per month on B717 pay rates with their seniority, without ever having to fly an aircraft. Delta will also continue to provide full benefits, including the 16% Direct Contribution to its pilots.

The following is a comparison based on Year 1:
DAL CA will make $84,600 to NOT WORK and the company will contribute $13,536 their 401K.
SAI 737 CA will make $76,800 and will owe the company 17 DAYS per MONTH and will contribute $0 to their 401K.
An Atlas 767 CA will make $85,200 and will owe the company 17 DAYS per MONTH and will contribute $0 to their 401K.
An Atlas 747 CA will make $101,400 and will owe the company 17 DAYS per MONTH and will contribute $0 to their 401K.

If the CA wanted to put just as much in his 401K as the DAL CA, he would have to put in 13.3% of his OWN money in it, reducing his income to $87,864, or roughly the same as the Delta guy sitting at home ALL MONTH with the ability to find a second source of income.

Delta’s Leadership is burning $12-$14M per day while reinvesting in their employees; Atlas’ Leadership are lining their pockets with the profits WE are providing them and leaving us to pick up the scraps.
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At 35% of our hourly compensation (1:2.85), the pay structure at Atlas Air for deadheading is among the lowest of any pilot group in the industry.

Alaska, American, Delta, FedEx, JetBlue, Hawaiian, Southwest, Spirit, United, and UPS are a few of the many airlines that pay 100% of their pilot’s hourly compensation for deadheading.
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The following is a comparison based on Year 1:

An Atlas 747 CA will make $101,400 and will owe the company 17 DAYS per MONTH and will contribute $0 to their 401k.
Wow is this for real? 100k to CA a 74?
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Wow is this for real? 100k to CA a 74?
Hypothetical Year 1 scales across the board to keep comparing apples to apples. In reality, it would take 5+ years to upgrade to Atlas Capt. But that wasn't true at Delta a year ago. Today that 1st year Delta Capt could possibly be paid to stay home.
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Very informative. Thank you, Zero.
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Is it true that negotiations fell apart and there's a risk now that arbitration may be getting delayed yet again next year?
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Originally Posted by zerozero View Post
Hypothetical Year 1 scales across the board to keep comparing apples to apples. In reality, it would take 5+ years to upgrade to Atlas Capt. But that wasn't true at Delta a year ago. Today that 1st year Delta Capt could possibly be paid to stay home.

Seems to cherry pick stats....year1 UPS747 capt. $50k...doesnt give whole career picture tho
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Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow View Post
Is it true that negotiations fell apart and there's a risk now that arbitration may be getting delayed yet again next year?
My opinion: There hasn't been much negotiating for quite some time. For example, we haven't TA'd an article since March 2020.

As for arbitration, let's not put the cart before the horse. An arbitrator hasn't even been selected yet. It's like saying you want to go to the prom in February, but you don't have a date yet.
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Originally Posted by jetlaggy View Post
Seems to cherry pick stats....year1 UPS747 capt. $50k...doesnt give whole career picture tho
The quote referencing UPS and FDX was per employee COMPANY WIDE. Not just flight crew.
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