Kalitta Pilots CBA update
01-14-2021, 11:31 AM
#111
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 585
Originally Posted by gollum
serious question: how many times in the last couple of years has there been an opportunity for FO to FO bidding other than the initial 777 stand up. The 74 spots have almost always (this latest vacancy being the exception) been filled by new hires and lately the 777 FO slots the same, leaving the only way for an FO to escape the 767 being via upgrade.
All 777 FO positions were but out for bid - the CBA demands it
so any 747 or 767 FO who was not seat locked could and was awarded 777 if they chose to bid it
The same applies to 747 FO positions - the Company must post a bid for each position
positions not awarded (because no eligible bidder bid) are filled with new hires
that has been the case for a while now on both the 777 and 747
The reason the Company posted 40 more 747 FO bids is that they filled the quota from the last bid with new hires
So - if anyone is not bid locked and wants to be a 747 FO - now is the time to do it
01-14-2021, 02:49 PM
#115
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 53
I will be a no vote on this offer.
Without getting into a lengthy discussion as to why, I will say that given everything I have heard our guys complain about over the last three years, this contract does nothing to address any of our issues. This alone is enough to say no, but if it is true we have hired an outside vendor to build our lines, rest assured you will almost never break guarantee. Keep this in mind when you consider your vote.
Without getting into a lengthy discussion as to why, I will say that given everything I have heard our guys complain about over the last three years, this contract does nothing to address any of our issues. This alone is enough to say no, but if it is true we have hired an outside vendor to build our lines, rest assured you will almost never break guarantee. Keep this in mind when you consider your vote.
01-14-2021, 03:43 PM
#116
Holding
Joined APC: Jan 2012
Posts: 208
Originally Posted by newb2
I will be a no vote on this offer.
Without getting into a lengthy discussion as to why, I will say that given everything I have heard our guys complain about over the last three years, this contract does nothing to address any of our issues. This alone is enough to say no, but if it is true we have hired an outside vendor to build our lines, rest assured you will almost never break guarantee. Keep this in mind when you consider your vote.
Without getting into a lengthy discussion as to why, I will say that given everything I have heard our guys complain about over the last three years, this contract does nothing to address any of our issues. This alone is enough to say no, but if it is true we have hired an outside vendor to build our lines, rest assured you will almost never break guarantee. Keep this in mind when you consider your vote.
Also, efficient lines isn’t going to bring the average month below guarantee. An optimizer can get rid of 20 hours of criss-crossing deadheads, but we don’t have that. When everyone is flying 80-100 block on the 74 every month, you can’t just shuffle that around and reduce it below guarantee. Now, hiring 40 new pilots, that will reduce average lines.
01-14-2021, 04:01 PM
#117
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 401
Hopefully, the hiring is for growth. DO said that’s they were actively looking for 747’s and they want us to be “ahead of the curve” for hiring for possible new planes if they are to buy any. He didn’t mention it, but hopefully they’re trying to win some more of the 777’s from the recent DHL order.
It’s gotta be more cost effective to pay one guy 90 hrs vs two guys at 64 hrs.
Again, vote how you want, but the company has ZERO reason to offer us anything right now. The pilots have very little leverage. Hopefully, 4 years down the road when the contract is amendable, the hiring boom is happening and we can increase pay and/or DC.
I look at this as a positive for at least getting DC in the contract.
To each their own. Just vote!
It’s gotta be more cost effective to pay one guy 90 hrs vs two guys at 64 hrs.
Again, vote how you want, but the company has ZERO reason to offer us anything right now. The pilots have very little leverage. Hopefully, 4 years down the road when the contract is amendable, the hiring boom is happening and we can increase pay and/or DC.
I look at this as a positive for at least getting DC in the contract.
To each their own. Just vote!
01-14-2021, 04:11 PM
#118
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 585
Originally Posted by Puck Hawg
Hopefully, the hiring is for growth. DO said that’s they were actively looking for 747’s and they want us to be “ahead of the curve” for hiring for possible new planes if they are to buy any. He didn’t mention it, but hopefully they’re trying to win some more of the 777’s from the recent DHL order.
It’s gotta be more cost effective to pay one guy 90 hrs vs two guys at 64 hrs.
Again, vote how you want, but the company has ZERO reason to offer us anything right now. The pilots have very little leverage. Hopefully, 4 years down the road when the contract is amendable, the hiring boom is happening and we can increase pay and/or DC.
I look at this as a positive for at least getting DC in the contract.
To each their own. Just vote!
It’s gotta be more cost effective to pay one guy 90 hrs vs two guys at 64 hrs.
Again, vote how you want, but the company has ZERO reason to offer us anything right now. The pilots have very little leverage. Hopefully, 4 years down the road when the contract is amendable, the hiring boom is happening and we can increase pay and/or DC.
I look at this as a positive for at least getting DC in the contract.
To each their own. Just vote!
01-14-2021, 07:34 PM
#119
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Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 291
Originally Posted by fastback
Vote however you like, but we haven’t even seen the thing yet.
=12pt
=12pt
Got a feeling that if there was some silver lining to be had, QoL, duty days, domestic first, rig, ...we would have at least heard “more news pending” by now.
01-14-2021, 09:13 PM
#120
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Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by BFMthisA10
I’d be all for the good news/bad news, but we haven’t heard that anything else is around the corner.
Got a feeling that if there was some silver lining to be had, QoL, duty days, domestic first, rig, ...we would have at least heard “more news pending” by now.
Got a feeling that if there was some silver lining to be had, QoL, duty days, domestic first, rig, ...we would have at least heard “more news pending” by now.
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