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HwkrPlt 09-06-2021 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by paulhood (Post 3290659)
Crew Outfitters in CVG has the published catalog already.

Rather wear that than the typical pilot monkey suit.

nitefr8dog 09-06-2021 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by LRSRanger (Post 3290922)
HEY-Ooo. 😂🤷🏼‍♂️🎉

Thankfully.....you can wear the C@ck. And another sh#t contract.

Cujo665 09-06-2021 05:24 AM

Just lay low and let em do it. They’re working themselves into the biggest single carrier suit in history.

Huge single distribution hub
control of schedules over multiple carriers
now same uniforms....

wjcandee 09-06-2021 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3291073)
Just lay low and let em do it. They’re working themselves into the biggest single carrier suit in history.

Huge single distribution hub
control of schedules over multiple carriers
now same uniforms....

Respectfully, I have to think that the folks at Amazon had some lawyers look at this...

Perhaps the wearing of different uniforms depending upon who the customer is breaks the chain on that, so to speak. And clearly Atlas, ABX, Southern, Sun Country and ATI are not owned by the same company, doing the same thing. The Single Transportation System concept applies only to certain arrangements, and uniforms is only a minor factor, so there may be legalities that trump anything about uniforms. But I didn't fail to notice the uniform issue when I saw the first post on this.

Reactivity 09-06-2021 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3291073)
Just lay low and let em do it. They’re working themselves into the biggest single carrier suit in history.

Huge single distribution hub
control of schedules over multiple carriers
now same uniforms....

ABX was not able to convince anyone that ABX & ATI were a single carrier when they were owned by a common parent company, wearing nearly identical uniforms, serving the same customers and passing DOD work back and forth between the airlines. It seems unlikely that anyone would be able to make that case for Amazon.

Lucifer 09-06-2021 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 3291207)
Respectfully, I have to think that the folks at Amazon had some lawyers look at this...

Perhaps the wearing of different uniforms depending upon who the customer is breaks the chain on that, so to speak. And clearly Atlas, ABX, Southern, Sun Country and ATI are not owned by the same company, doing the same thing. The Single Transportation System concept applies only to certain arrangements, and uniforms is only a minor factor, so there may be legalities that trump anything about uniforms. But I didn't fail to notice the uniform issue when I saw the first post on this.

Uniforms are specifically mentioned as among the determining criteria. He has a valid point.

Lucifer 09-06-2021 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by Reactivity (Post 3291209)
ABX was not able to convince anyone that ABX & ATI were a single carrier when they were owned by a common parent company, wearing nearly identical uniforms, serving the same customers and passing DOD work back and forth between the airlines. It seems unlikely that anyone would be able to make that case for Amazon.

While he raises a valid point, he failed to identify why it would matter at his point? Single Transportation System cases have more to do with operational control, which Amazon clearly has through their individual multiple separate proxies. ATI/ABX shifting DOD flying back and forth between the companies clearly demonstrates operational control at the airlines and their ability to decide who actually does what..... that isn't the case with Amazon.
Even if the NMB did find a STS existed, it just makes one big pilot group, triggers a representation vote, and puts everybody on a single CBA; which would be an absolute nightmare to negotiate. Better to let them start integrating and merging on their own IMHO.

dynap09 09-06-2021 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Reactivity (Post 3291042)
You'll have to define "concessionary".

As of January 1 of this year, my pay increased by 27%. I will work 7 fewer days this year than I did last year. I haven't been junior manned a single day this year because it's now possible to pick up open time at 150%, 175%, or 200%, and junior man pay hasn't changed. And the amount that the company puts into my retirement account increased from 7.5% to 8.5%.

The concessionary claim is garbage from what I can tell. ABX claims ATI pilots took a pay cut on their new contract. It's a total lie basically from what I've seen. You also should compare upgrade timelines.

Uniforms look pretty practical, but yeah, not the fighter pilot big leather jacket look if that's what folks want.

paulhood 09-06-2021 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3290744)
And you get to wear wings with the bent c@ck on it.....no extra money, not better schedules, no extra retirement...just the bent c@ck.

I don't, I do not work for ATI

Reactivity 09-06-2021 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by dynap09 (Post 3291291)
The concessionary claim is garbage from what I can tell. ABX claims ATI pilots took a pay cut on their new contract. It's a total lie basically from what I've seen. You also should compare upgrade timelines.


Not that they took a pay cut, but rather that they could have done better given the state of the industry at the time. That mattered to ABX because it put an upper limit on what we would be able to achieve in our negotiations. And it did.


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