C17B74

Agree, my apologies as it’s been off the radar for over a decade for me as a payee for that “extra year” since the beginning. Can you verify any rumors beyond that document we have that the current rates of “buy up” will remain the same? Granted, they have increased incrementally but an astronomic jump just might not be worth it. Thanks for posting that documents data points by the Union. I was in a rush/lazy…

HPIC

No detailed information with actual numbers has been disseminated to us as of yet. There’s no telling what the cost will be for the buy up. According to the union information, the LTD 60% pay max $10k/mo will be fully paid by the company as the current 2 year plan is…the buy up will only be regarding the $15k/mo max.

We still don’t know how this will be calculated. Will it be based on your min guarantee per month times 60%? Will it be your last years W2 times 60%? Will it be the highest 3 months of the last 12 times 60%? The devil is in the details.

We won’t know how good or bad of a deal it is until we get all the details. I haven’t heard any word as to when that will be.

C17B74

Thanks, appreciate the candor. We’ll just wait to see how this all plays out. Cheers!

Spiro

From an objective standpoint which of the two operators is the best job overall?

goinaround

I worked at K4. It was a good job. Honestly if you’re looking to do some ACMI flying you can’t go wrong with either. Atlas has more variety of flying and has better benefits now with their new contract. K4 has true home basing which is real nice. Apples to apples…I might pick Atlas now if I were joining simply because they’re a larger, publicly traded company. I also don’t think the Atlas crews are getting whipped as hard as the K4 crews right now either.

EhV8R

I wouldn't give much weight to that when considering Atlas - with the Apollo buy out I believe you can't currently buy the stock, and it won't be publicity traded once the purchase goes through.

If Sun Country is any indicator, then it probably will be publicity traded again after a while.

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thepotato232

Speaking as a Kalitta captain with friends at Atlas:

"Objectively," Atlas is the one of the two with a better contract, duty and trip rigs, a higher possible retirement contribution, more varied flying, and more experience employing Aussies (assuming your question elsewhere still applies here). Kalitta also officially does not have true home basing outside the USA. Pilots who live outside the USA are not subject to the same contractual perks and protections as those in-country, and must make arrangements to get to the USA on their own effort during days off. Management has made offhand, non-binding comments that this may change, but objectively they have done nothing contractual.

There are nuances as to why one would choose one over the other, but your question as phrased leaves Atlas the clear choice. Most would recommend you keep your applications updated working at either one though, as both have high attrition for good reason.

slabach

Has anything changed over the last year? Is one a clear stand out over the other? I have offes at both for the 74.

astray

As of right now Atlas still has a better contract with regards to duty days and scheduling, but Kalitta did start negotiations early so who knows what they're cooking

DriveA65

Bump.

Any more opinions a quarter of the way through 2024?