View Poll Results: How will you vote on the proposed FDX FDA LOA?
YES
41
15.89%
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Poll - How will you vote on the new FDX FDA LOA?
06-29-2007, 11:03 AM
#41
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: FedEx Capt
Posts: 292
Originally Posted by MEMA300
Surely the guys at fedex corp that made this offer have got to be joking. I think they are testing the water for the next contract to see just how low we will go. If we cant take a stand on this issue, then when can we.
Negotiations are like buying a new car--if you don't feel like you've gone through a war when you walk out, you know you paid too much!!! I'm sure our NC does not follow this principle. Moreover, since they know this is going to go junior there seemed to be even less interest in driving up the negotiating pain points since they really don't care about junior folks!!!!
06-29-2007, 11:45 AM
#42
Trust but Verify!!
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD11 CRA
Posts: 684
06-29-2007, 11:56 AM
#43
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 349
Originally Posted by A300_Driver
I agree...
Negotiations are like buying a new car--if you don't feel like you've gone through a war when you walk out, you know you paid too much!!! I'm sure our NC does not follow this principle. Moreover, since they know this is going to go junior there seemed to be even less interest in driving up the negotiating pain points since they really don't care about junior folks!!!!
Negotiations are like buying a new car--if you don't feel like you've gone through a war when you walk out, you know you paid too much!!! I'm sure our NC does not follow this principle. Moreover, since they know this is going to go junior there seemed to be even less interest in driving up the negotiating pain points since they really don't care about junior folks!!!!
Past....
06-29-2007, 12:00 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Originally Posted by 130JDrvr
Not a valid analogy. If you reach a point that your are not happy with the price of a car you walk out. You can do that safely with a car deal because the dealer can't bend you over when you don't accept his deal. Not the case here.
Past....
Past....
And we can walk out on this deal. No one has to bid the FDA. Let see how bad they want to sell the car.
06-29-2007, 12:18 PM
#46
Bourgeoisie
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 787 SO
Posts: 616
Perhaps I am missing something, but after reading the LOA unless you bid Paris as an upgrade, you will have less buying power for the money you earn even with the LOA provisions. Pilots sitting in the same seats in Memphis can buy more with what's left over than pilots in Paris. My question is this: Why would anyone want to bid a base where they'd make less money than a similarly seated pilot in the US?
I don't understand this LOA, especially for narrowbody pilots. As a MEM based narrowbody FO I'll bet my spending power would be, conservatively, 18-20% less as a CDG narrowbody FO. So why would I do it? The LOA merely makes up for some of the incidental costs associated with living there, but it doesn't even approach adequately compensating a pilot for agreeing to be based in a foreign country.
Someone smarter than me needs to explain it. Maybe the widebody guys in HKG might do better, but the narrowbody CDG-types are going to get thumped. All for the 'privilege' of living in France?
It's a no.
They can put newhires there if they like.
I don't understand this LOA, especially for narrowbody pilots. As a MEM based narrowbody FO I'll bet my spending power would be, conservatively, 18-20% less as a CDG narrowbody FO. So why would I do it? The LOA merely makes up for some of the incidental costs associated with living there, but it doesn't even approach adequately compensating a pilot for agreeing to be based in a foreign country.
Someone smarter than me needs to explain it. Maybe the widebody guys in HKG might do better, but the narrowbody CDG-types are going to get thumped. All for the 'privilege' of living in France?
It's a no.
They can put newhires there if they like.
06-29-2007, 12:49 PM
#47
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 767 Cap
Posts: 1,306
Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever
Perhaps I am missing something, but after reading the LOA unless you bid Paris as an upgrade, you will have less buying power for the money you earn even with the LOA provisions. Pilots sitting in the same seats in Memphis can buy more with what's left over than pilots in Paris. My question is this: Why would anyone want to bid a base where they'd make less money than a similarly seated pilot in the US?
I don't understand this LOA, especially for narrowbody pilots. As a MEM based narrowbody FO I'll bet my spending power would be, conservatively, 18-20% less as a CDG narrowbody FO. So why would I do it? The LOA merely makes up for some of the incidental costs associated with living there, but it doesn't even approach adequately compensating a pilot for agreeing to be based in a foreign country.
Someone smarter than me needs to explain it. Maybe the widebody guys in HKG might do better, but the narrowbody CDG-types are going to get thumped. All for the 'privilege' of living in France?
It's a no. They can put newhires there if they like.
I don't understand this LOA, especially for narrowbody pilots. As a MEM based narrowbody FO I'll bet my spending power would be, conservatively, 18-20% less as a CDG narrowbody FO. So why would I do it? The LOA merely makes up for some of the incidental costs associated with living there, but it doesn't even approach adequately compensating a pilot for agreeing to be based in a foreign country.
Someone smarter than me needs to explain it. Maybe the widebody guys in HKG might do better, but the narrowbody CDG-types are going to get thumped. All for the 'privilege' of living in France?
It's a no.
They can put newhires there if they like.
06-29-2007, 01:34 PM
#48
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 107
It's a question if a junior guy (assume a 3 year guy) would take the left seat of a 757 in Paris. I think we all know he would. That's why the don't bid it deal won't work. The LOA isn't great...to say the least, now what?
06-29-2007, 02:11 PM
#49
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: Who knows...waiting for a bid
Posts: 379
I will be close to that point of holding 75 Capt Paris, but I can assure you that I will never bid it. If they can give me some answers to medical/dental, then some tuition assistance for my kids...I would love to go. But this current LOA looks like a big turd to me.
I am voting NO
I am voting NO
06-29-2007, 02:35 PM
#50
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Assumed
Posts: 120
Vote no and let the company deal with it. Vote yes, but don't bid it (yeah, like that'll work) - Interesting options to be sure. Count me among the no folks, and I'd love to see a resoundingly negative response on this one. But the only response that's going to matter will require more than our usually tepid voting participation. This is not a good deal and its implementation will have ramifications for all of us later on down the negotiating road.
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