eFDeeeX

Albie...you are charm school.

Thanks for going, that is 1 person talking-the-talk on this forum and walking-the-walk by going to a meeting. How was the turnout?

As we all know, when you personalize something (like a "great" negotiation you made that everyone will love), you generally have trouble seeing past your own glory and can't believe it when others don't like what you negotiated for.

I understand his pride in "winning" HKG over that pit on the mainland, but that needs to be chalked up as one goal in the overall package with many other goals still to be achieved.

As one who will likely be be a bottom dweller on the bus soon, and one who does not want to go to HKG, the SVT scares me.

Similar to the immigration bill in congress, because something may be screwed up does not mean we should go out and vote yes on a big stinky turd.

I hope there are more of us, that spend way too much time griping in this forum, that have the ba11s to go to a hub meeting IF in town. It is one thing to show your manhood by talking tough as an anonymous goober, it is another to talk like a tough goober AND show your goober-toughness by going to these meetings and asking good solid questions, not wrapped up in emotion. When we deal with anything like this, we need to leave emotions at the door and bring up all of our concerns. As soon as voices are raised, listening is turned off. We need to be viewed as level headed folk who bring up solid concerns, NOT winers on a forum who are the vocal minority. One should expect we "adults" already know this, but judging from the attitude we are told BC had this morning, not everyone exercises this knowledge.

Not sure where that paragraph came from, I just blacked out, but the idea there should also be carried through to the company Q & A on Vips. EVERYBODY with a gripe needs to calmly and logically state your concern as a question. One question per submission. It will open some eyes if 3000 people submit the question: Why no education help for our children? or Why would I want to enable the ability to be deployed against my will for 3 months? If I'm the only clown that submits those questions, they'll get tossed in the round file.

Penguin

I really don't think it was such a big win for BC to get the domicile moved to Hong Kong. The company didn't want to pay the 50% tax equalization in mainland China as opposed to the 17% in HKG. If that is what he is touting as his big win we are really in trouble.

FDXLAG

So the company says we want to:

Eliminate SIBA
Eliminate 1 in 10
and downgrade 1st class to business class

And we say OK as long as you promise to only hose the 757 Initial Cadre (nah your word is good with us don't put it in writing). And it passes 11 -1. Need anymore proof that it don't pay to be a minority (narrow body). With friends like these....

What were our openers?

Penguin

In a conversation I had with BC he told me that Europe SIBA is not going anywhere with or without the LOA

for what that is worth

FDXLAG

Did you ask him what the 75's were going to do in gay paree? Yikes!!!!

HazCan

Albie, thanks for stepping up and for the report.

I will vote no as long as there is ANY SVT in this thing. One month or three, it's no good. It's not a can of worms we want opened up.

Toccata

That comment causes some concern. As I recall in previous comments by our ALPA group on another hot topic, we do not leave any part of our seniority list "behind". All are represented equally.

Agreeing to language with the foreknowledge that its intent is to "force" a specific group to do something deemed necessary by the company? Hmmmm.....
Nice consistent representation.

Flex/LCA sign a letter of employment for that position, stipulating additional requirements and conditions (I believe that still is true). If the intent of the STV is that it will only be applied to a specific group, as BC evidently stated, a very easy solution is to remove it from the LOA and add it into the letter of employment that the 757 LCA/flexes sign.

Huck

If it was aimed at flex/LCA's, it wouldn't have any mention of junior manning.

MEMA300

The LOA gives CDG/MEMA300 as an example of a domocile shown below:

I. Crew Position Changes to Different FDAs in the Same Geographic Location
If the Company opens multiple FDAs in the same geographic location (e.g., 757
MEM/CDG; A300 MEM/CDG), the following shall apply to pilots who activate into
a different FDA within the same geographic location (e.g., a 757 F/O MEM/CDG
upgrades to A300 F/O MEM/CDG).

So for BC to say that Europe SIBA is not going anywhere is VERY niave. There it is in black and white.

They are getting at a bare minimum a 40% productivity gain by putting a domocile in CDG. It might be like 50% if you factor that all the layovers over 48 hours are going to go away since they can now deadhead you back to your $4000 a month flat in paris. Most of the legs are so short in europe they could run the whole thing with out and backs. Look at our airbus bidpack now, 30+ lines are out and backs. FDX is getting too much out of this deal to not throw a little more money on the table.

With CDG domocile FDX is saving lots of money on:
1. Tickets. probably avg 6000 per crewmember per month.
2. Hotels. Fewer layovers, with it now being possible to schedule out and backs from the new CDG base or being able to DH back and get off clock. By the way it is very cheap to fly intra europe.
3. Productivity gain of crewmember useage of close to 50%.

So they need to pay up.

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Flying Boxes

If SVT is for LCA/Flex pilots then change the LOA to reflect that in the inverse sentence! I think SVT is a VERY BAD for everyone!

What is the companies intent? We are negotiating work rules, and this is to vague! If I get inverse SVT'd , I don't want to fly a regular line! I want to get the job done, then go home (14-15 days flying continuous with legal rest time)! If gone for 30 days, I want a guarentee CH associated! (i.e. 22days * 6hrs = 132CH) We have enough "over achievers" who would gladly jump on this like Draft/VLT (and sadly disputed flying) that the inverse would not be a factor! There should be a penalty for the company forcing me to be gone that long and then not fully utilize that time!!!! (THIS IS NOT VACATION TIME!) I work for FedEx, not live for FedEx!!!!

I hated mil deployments where we deployed for months at a time and had to fly training missions to keep pilots current for landing and takeoffs!!!!!!

If you don't like the FDA, don't bid it! YGTBKM! Senior attitude of "it will not effect me so I don't care!" Our Representitves owe us a better attitude than that, I certianly expect better!