UPS talks resume
11-14-2005, 11:27 AM
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It's 4 times a month. It is both night and day. We are very proficient. I would match my skills and those of most of my bretheren against any pilot at UPS. There are bad line pilots, too!
11-14-2005, 11:33 AM
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Finally
Thanks for at last tacitly admitting that you are a manager. Not that you were fooling any of us. Plan on being very proficient and exhausted about 2 weeks after the strike starts
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11-14-2005, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by UPS CPT
It's 4 times a month. It is both night and day. We are very proficient. I would match my skills and those of most of my bretheren against any pilot at UPS. There are bad line pilots, too!
Gee, Imagine that, a lying UPS manager. On another thread you were spouting off defending yourself as being a line pilot. James Casey would be ashamed of you for being a liar.
11-14-2005, 11:42 AM
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I never admitted anything. For all you know, I could be a Sim Instr flying 4 days a month.
11-14-2005, 11:48 AM
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Brownbusdriver,
The other outfits are not flying much mail at all. You should know Fed Ex handles most of that. I guess if they are soo busy then why do they fly for us during peak? I guess they are all at full cap.
No I haven't been to SYR lately. I'm not bitter towards the pilots but am bitter towards the IPA. We feel that the tactics of the IPA by contacting customers and such have done no good for us. The IPA took it upon themselves to do this. Being an official in the Teamsters I think you are wrong about the more support issue. This is especially critical since the Overnight employees voted to stay non union. I am telling you guys that the support you think is there isn't. Sure you will get some support but not even an 8th of the 185,000 plus teamsters will honor the work stoppage. Sure there will be service disruptions if the IPA walks but it will not cripple UPS like 1997 did. The company has already prepared for that. You can think what you wish but if you look at local Teamster elections around the country you will see that the rank and file are not going to put themselves into a position for your cause. This is truely the case since the company has already made a pretty decent offer to you already and you think it isn't good enough. How much is enough? You have only been a part of the UPS family since 1988. 17 years out of a 98 year history. It's kinda like a teenager that knows more than their parents. Can anybody tell me why the IPA elected Nicholson in the first place? Is Bob Miller going to run again?
The other outfits are not flying much mail at all. You should know Fed Ex handles most of that. I guess if they are soo busy then why do they fly for us during peak? I guess they are all at full cap.
No I haven't been to SYR lately. I'm not bitter towards the pilots but am bitter towards the IPA. We feel that the tactics of the IPA by contacting customers and such have done no good for us. The IPA took it upon themselves to do this. Being an official in the Teamsters I think you are wrong about the more support issue. This is especially critical since the Overnight employees voted to stay non union. I am telling you guys that the support you think is there isn't. Sure you will get some support but not even an 8th of the 185,000 plus teamsters will honor the work stoppage. Sure there will be service disruptions if the IPA walks but it will not cripple UPS like 1997 did. The company has already prepared for that. You can think what you wish but if you look at local Teamster elections around the country you will see that the rank and file are not going to put themselves into a position for your cause. This is truely the case since the company has already made a pretty decent offer to you already and you think it isn't good enough. How much is enough? You have only been a part of the UPS family since 1988. 17 years out of a 98 year history. It's kinda like a teenager that knows more than their parents. Can anybody tell me why the IPA elected Nicholson in the first place? Is Bob Miller going to run again?
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11-14-2005, 11:53 AM
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Confusion
So, let me see... You hope the union is bankrupted by the company, you identify with mgt pilots (your comment about matching skills of your brethren) and you don't know the difference between a pri 3 jumpseat and a level 2 manager.. You are either so dim as to be a danger in the cockpit or you are a lying sack. Just admit it both to yourself and this forum. If you're not a manager, you should definitely consider it. You're not Jon Burrows by chance, are you?
11-14-2005, 11:53 AM
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You're so right. These managers are clueless. Was here last strike and we will go through the next just fine. Coming from a Teamster truck driving family I've gotten only positive input of support. My local driver says he cannot wait.
11-14-2005, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
Brownbusdriver,
The other outfits are not flying much mail at all. You should know Fed Ex handles most of that. I guess if they are soo busy then why do they fly for us during peak? I guess they are all at full cap.
No I haven't been to SYR lately. I'm not bitter towards the pilots but am bitter towards the IPA. We feel that the tactics of the IPA by contacting customers and such have done no good for us. The IPA took it upon themselves to do this. Being an official in the Teamsters I think you are wrong about the more support issue. This is especially critical since the Overnight employees voted to stay non union. I am telling you guys that the support you think is there isn't. Sure you will get some support but not even an 8th of the 185,000 plus teamsters will honor the work stoppage. Sure there will be service disruptions if the IPA walks but it will not cripple UPS like 1997 did. The company has already prepared for that. You can think what you wish but if you look at local Teamster elections around the country you will see that the rank and file are not going to put themselves into a position for your cause. This is truely the case since the company has already made a pretty decent off to you already and you think it isn't good enough. How much is enough huh?
The other outfits are not flying much mail at all. You should know Fed Ex handles most of that. I guess if they are soo busy then why do they fly for us during peak? I guess they are all at full cap.
No I haven't been to SYR lately. I'm not bitter towards the pilots but am bitter towards the IPA. We feel that the tactics of the IPA by contacting customers and such have done no good for us. The IPA took it upon themselves to do this. Being an official in the Teamsters I think you are wrong about the more support issue. This is especially critical since the Overnight employees voted to stay non union. I am telling you guys that the support you think is there isn't. Sure you will get some support but not even an 8th of the 185,000 plus teamsters will honor the work stoppage. Sure there will be service disruptions if the IPA walks but it will not cripple UPS like 1997 did. The company has already prepared for that. You can think what you wish but if you look at local Teamster elections around the country you will see that the rank and file are not going to put themselves into a position for your cause. This is truely the case since the company has already made a pretty decent off to you already and you think it isn't good enough. How much is enough huh?
Another lying UPS manager, this time pretending to be a teamster official!
No teamster official would waste his time on a pilot message board for one. Two, no real teamster official would, even if they had access to the proposals, think for a minute that UPS' offer is reasonable. You managers just can't stand the truth, Treichler and Zuckerman, along with Hoffa have said that the teamsters will honor any IPA picket line. So go find something new to lie about because this lie of yours is exposed.
11-14-2005, 12:02 PM
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US Cargo Cap
In the FWIW department. US cargo aircraft capacity is actually almost fully committed. Yes, UPS can pull a few more a/c out of each company. However, most of the heavy cargo co's, POLAR Atlas etc, have commitments to the DoD for the balance of the quarter. They can't get out of those commitments easily, since non-performance jeopardizes their ability to bid on future contracts. Could they find 200+ aircraft and crews to replace the IPA. Doubtful.
11-14-2005, 12:02 PM
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Good response to this manager. Rather cude isn't he? It is what we have come to expect from these people and that is why they are lost. I spent 9 months as a kid on strike with my family. Did what it took to put food on the table working any jobs we could find. Even easier to survive these days. Have a number of things lined up plus saved enough to go more than a year. Heck, if they are stupid enough to push us to a strike this would be a great opportunity to attempt some new avenues of income.
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