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Slice 07-21-2007 12:56 PM

UPS app window re-opening....soon
 
Repost from hiring forum:

Have info from a VERY reliable source that the app window will open again in Aug or Sept and those without transoceanic crossing experience will once again be able to apply. Get your resumes ready.

4FrozenFans 07-21-2007 01:10 PM

Since you mentioned "resume", does the UPS application process require applicants to attach/cut-and-paste a resume on-line, or does one just need to fill in times, answer questions, etc? Just want to be ready.

Rocco 07-21-2007 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by 4FrozenFans (Post 199686)
Since you mentioned "resume", does the UPS application process require applicants to attach/cut-and-paste a resume on-line, or does one just need to fill in times, answer questions, etc? Just want to be ready.

...you will want to have a resume/cover sheet ready. If you are using MS - Word you should not have any problems uploading or cutting- and-pasting....You will also have the usual application portion to fill out...

Tigerpilot1995 07-21-2007 02:50 PM

Have all past employment history stuff handy as well. If it is like the past windows then the application will NOT let you save your place. Be prepared to spend an hour, maybe longer, if you don't have your stuff handy and organized.

Once you get it finished there is NO normal time line for the process to work.

Blue Skies and good luck!

bifff15 07-21-2007 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 199680)
Repost from hiring forum:

Have info from a VERY reliable source that the app window will open again in Aug or Sept and those without transoceanic crossing experience will once again be able to apply. Get your resumes ready.

Slice,
Source? Do tell or at least hint / insinuate..
Inquiring minds want to know.
Biff

Slice 07-21-2007 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by bifff15 (Post 199790)
Slice,
Source? Do tell or at least hint / insinuate..
Inquiring minds want to know.
Biff

Can't reveal the source but the info is direct from HR.

4FrozenFans 07-21-2007 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Tigerpilot1995 (Post 199733)
Have all past employment history stuff handy as well. If it is like the past windows then the application will NOT let you save your place. Be prepared to spend an hour, maybe longer, if you don't have your stuff handy and organized.

Once you get it finished there is NO normal time line for the process to work.

Blue Skies and good luck!

Thanks for the information. Will they want to know about non-aviation employment? All my flying has been military, but I did work for an engineering consulting firm just out of college. Also, will they want to know that I worked worked for UPS very briefly as a package runner during a Christmas break in college (way back in 1992)?

4FrozenFans 07-21-2007 08:02 PM

Thanks to all who have replied with gouge. It is much appreciated in this new realm of my aviation career.

bifff15 07-22-2007 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by 4FrozenFans (Post 199899)
Thanks for the information. Will they want to know about non-aviation employment? All my flying has been military, but I did work for an engineering consulting firm just out of college. Also, will they want to know that I worked worked for UPS very briefly as a package runner during a Christmas break in college (way back in 1992)?

I believe YES to all your questions, however all will be answered when you fill out the application.

Tigerpilot1995 07-22-2007 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by 4FrozenFans (Post 199899)
Thanks for the information. Will they want to know about non-aviation employment? All my flying has been military, but I did work for an engineering consulting firm just out of college. Also, will they want to know that I worked worked for UPS very briefly as a package runner during a Christmas break in college (way back in 1992)?

I believe it is a 10 year work history. I think there is something about ever working for UPS. Your file will be looked at.

4FrozenFans 07-22-2007 06:31 AM

Thank you.

-4FF

ERJ Driver 07-23-2007 12:09 AM

I hope UPS does not have as complex a process for recording flight time as UAL??? :mad:

KC10 FATboy 07-23-2007 01:09 AM

Can somebody tell me all the different ways UPS wants your flight time broken down? In other words; total fix wing, ME turbine or ME turbo-jet / ME turbo-prop, student/dual, etc.etc?

I also agree, United was a pain in the ass -- considering they emailed me twice now to have me resubmit my flight times due to some computer error.

I'm a KC10 driver, 3500 Total Time (after .3 conversion) 1800 PIC, chief evaluator / instructor and originally from the Louisville area desperately trying to hook up with UPS. I can't wait for the online window to open back up. I missed the last window by one day due to being deployed and unable to get on the website due to Air Force computer security rules.

-Fatty

767pilot 07-23-2007 02:36 AM

Sounds like you are a shoo in once they discover you!
Good luck

Tigerpilot1995 07-23-2007 03:11 AM

Can't say for sure but the flight time break down wasn't too bad. PIC in each specific turbine a/c. After that I believe it was just the total. For me all my single engine was just totaled. No conversion for the mil guys though.

KC10 FATboy 07-23-2007 03:28 AM

No 0.3 conversion for military guys? Perhaps I misread that somewhere. Anyone else know if UPS allows for a flight time conversion for military guys?

Thanks ...

-Fatty

Beaker 07-23-2007 03:46 AM

Conversion
 
They wanted both at the beginning of the year - converted for the application, non-converted completed after selection for interview.

I'd be cautious about the shoo-in mentality. 3 well qualified interviewees that I know were shot down recently. Not sure why some were let in (yours truly) and they were kept out. Best of luck.

KC10 FATboy 07-23-2007 09:33 AM

I'm not taking anything for granted. I know several more qualified applicants who never made it past the initial application process.

-FATTY

Polarfr8dog 07-23-2007 12:01 PM

The reason people don't make it in is just law of averages. So many people applying for so few spots means not all good quality people are going to make it. It does get frustrating, though, huh?

SaltyDog 07-23-2007 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by Polarfr8dog (Post 200729)
The reason people don't make it in is just law of averages. So many people applying for so few spots means not all good quality people are going to make it. It does get frustrating, though, huh?

Agree, I got lucky, took 2 years to get the interview then 6 months swimming.
Still feel lucky. It is frustrating watching buds get spun around. Haven't found the dart board at Brown yet :o

7thgear 07-23-2007 09:34 PM

i've been working for UPS for almost 1.5 years now. If I work there for another 2 years would that assist me in getting hired as a pilot once I got all my certificates?

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 07-23-2007 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 200468)
...originally from the Louisville area desperately trying to hook up with UPS. I can't wait for the online window to open back up. I missed the last window by one day due to being deployed and unable to get on the website due to Air Force computer security rules.-Fatty

KC10 skinnyboy – I’ll show my ignorance here but the picture in your avatar is a fake, right? Surely a tanker can’t refuel a tanker? Not sure why you’d need to but I don’t know much about the military side of flying.

Good luck with your application – the wait is well worth it!

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 07-23-2007 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 201023)
i've been working for UPS for almost 1.5 years now. If I work there for another 2 years would that assist me in getting hired as a pilot once I got all my certificates?

You'll still need to meet the minimums no matter what. One guy in my class used to throw bags for UPS. He did it for 6 years or so; while in college and a few years afterward. He felt like his interview was a very positive experience because one of the interviewers used to do the same thing and they "shared some memories" from that time. Not sure if it really helped him or not but he did get hired. Of course, he also met all the minimums, had close to 6,000 TT, all part 91 (never flew part 121 or 135 - also only had civ. flight time).

I'd say go for it and good luck!

Slice 07-23-2007 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 201029)
KC10 skinnyboy – I’ll show my ignorance here but the picture in your avatar is a fake, right? Surely a tanker can’t refuel a tanker? Not sure why you’d need to but I don’t know much about the military side of flying.

Good luck with your application – the wait is well worth it!

It's real, I've seen it. Not pretty, like whales mating!:eek:

tankerpuke 07-24-2007 08:09 AM

KC10's are re-fuelable themselves...KC135's are not (for the most part - a few can be).

Now open that window!!!!

PUKE

bifff15 07-24-2007 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 201029)
KC10 skinnyboy – I’ll show my ignorance here but the picture in your avatar is a fake, right? Surely a tanker can’t refuel a tanker? Not sure why you’d need to but I don’t know much about the military side of flying.

Good luck with your application – the wait is well worth it!


AV8OR,
I ran an intercept on "a" tanker during Southern Watch and it turned out to be a KC-10 refueling another KC-10. Not something a fighter guy gets to see every day but totally cool to watch. It looks a whole lot tougher than what we go through on the boom!
Tankers refuel tankers for lots of reasons and adds to our capabilities tremendously.
Biff

Riddler 07-24-2007 06:15 PM

For the AF guys: does anyone know about "Other" time being included in TT?

Moondog 07-24-2007 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Riddler (Post 201602)
For the AF guys: does anyone know about "Other" time being included in TT?

Doesn't count for squat, wish it did.

C-17driver 07-24-2007 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Riddler (Post 201602)
For the AF guys: does anyone know about "Other" time being included in TT?

I included it for PIC but not for Copilot time. There's no right or wrong just be able to explain how you did it.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 07-24-2007 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by bifff15 (Post 201581)
AV8OR,
I ran an intercept on "a" tanker during Southern Watch and it turned out to be a KC-10 refueling another KC-10. Not something a fighter guy gets to see every day but totally cool to watch. It looks a whole lot tougher than what we go through on the boom!
Tankers refuel tankers for lots of reasons and adds to our capabilities tremendously.
Biff


Wow, had no idea. Thanks for the replies! Very cool, learning something new everyday!

Good luck to all brownie wannabies! Hopefully the application window will reopen very soon and the transoceanic requirement will be gone! (at least for the sake of regional guys/gals ;))

E_Cereal 07-24-2007 10:10 PM

AF "other" time
 

Originally Posted by Riddler (Post 201602)
For the AF guys: does anyone know about "Other" time being included in TT?

I did not include Other time as a Copilot(MC: Form 4?) in any PIC or SIC.
I did include Other time as a Pilot(MP, IP, EP) in PIC and SIC. As the AC I logged Other time in the aircraft forms but I was still "solely responsible" for the aircraft which should be all PIC. There's a little more to calculating PIC and SIC but that seems to be the way that most ppl I've talked to have included Other time into PIC and SIC.

KC10 FATboy 07-25-2007 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by bifff15 (Post 201581)
AV8OR,
I ran an intercept on "a" tanker during Southern Watch and it turned out to be a KC-10 refueling another KC-10. Not something a fighter guy gets to see every day but totally cool to watch. It looks a whole lot tougher than what we go through on the boom!
Tankers refuel tankers for lots of reasons and adds to our capabilities tremendously.
Biff

Not to steal the intent of this thread, but one night during the big OIF push in Mar '03, I was refueling from another KC-10. Our scheduled receivers, a pair of F15Es, joined on us while we were still refueling. The weather wasn't very good. They kept calling out for us to lower our boom and to start AR. They didn't realize we were in contact with another tanker. This isn't the first time I've heard of this happening. Sometimes when we refuel we lose sight of the tanker (weather) and must disconnect.

-FATTY

AKWhale 07-27-2007 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 200475)
No 0.3 conversion for military guys? Perhaps I misread that somewhere. Anyone else know if UPS allows for a flight time conversion for military guys?

Thanks ...

-Fatty

When I was hired there was no conversion; doesn't sound like you need it though.

UPS1856 07-27-2007 06:36 PM

Fatboy,

Were you out of McGuire?

atpcliff 07-31-2007 05:53 PM

Hi!

I was in a "formation" (it wasn't organized-everyone just kept out of everyone else's way) of about 17 aircraft.

There were a bunch of F-117s flying home from deployment. They were assigned, either one or two each, to a KC-10. They would refuel from the KC-10s all the way home, and the KC-10s would refuel from other tankers while they escorted their baby chicks back to the states.

I was in a KC-135R, and we refueled the -10s from about S. Egypt to somewhere into the Med.

The modification of the KC-135s into the -Rs was supposed to have included refueling capabilities for ALL KC-135Rs, but it got expensive, so there was only about 15? -Rs that were converted to receive fuel.

ALL the tankers can hook up to a receiver and SUCK the fuel out, but it's a slow process.

Nowadays, the "new" -R model is old. The KC-135T now has no navigator and is all glass-down to just 3 crewmembers.

C U!
cliff
YIP

PS-In the R we could fly for 24 hours, or 12,000 miles. We also did lightweight pattern sorties (landing and takeoff practice) at about 115,000 lbs., with 90K thrust!

KC10 FATboy 08-01-2007 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by UPS1856 (Post 203726)
Fatboy,

Were you out of McGuire?

UPS1856, yes I am out of McGuire. 2nd Air Refueling Squadron ... been there since 2000 except for a year tour to Korea / Philippines.

-Fatty

BDGERJMN 08-01-2007 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 206331)
Hi!

I was in a "formation" (it wasn't organized-everyone just kept out of everyone else's way) of about 17 aircraft.

There were a bunch of F-117s flying home from deployment. They were assigned, either one or two each, to a KC-10. They would refuel from the KC-10s all the way home, and the KC-10s would refuel from other tankers while they escorted their baby chicks back to the states.

I was in a KC-135R, and we refueled the -10s from about S. Egypt to somewhere into the Med.

The modification of the KC-135s into the -Rs was supposed to have included refueling capabilities for ALL KC-135Rs, but it got expensive, so there was only about 15? -Rs that were converted to receive fuel.

ALL the tankers can hook up to a receiver and SUCK the fuel out, but it's a slow process.

Nowadays, the "new" -R model is old. The KC-135T now has no navigator and is all glass-down to just 3 crewmembers.

C U!
cliff
YIP

PS-In the R we could fly for 24 hours, or 12,000 miles. We also did lightweight pattern sorties (landing and takeoff practice) at about 115,000 lbs., with 90K thrust!


We can do that in a Hornet too of course on the boom/basket of the 135R. :)

UPS1856 08-02-2007 10:34 AM

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