fdxflyer

Nice PERSONAL DECISION on the STV. Let's be clear though. That ONE MONTH you refer to could be a 5 WEEK bid month - 35 days. And it isn't like you get to pick the time either. And it isn't like this POS guarantees you a lot of home time on either end. Yes, we travel for a living. BUT that doesn't mean we DONATE our personal time for a living.
Glad to hear one month won't mess up your schedule too much Redeye. I don't mean to be a jerk, but your opinions of what we should be willing to do to make this company more profitable are outrageous! If it isn't the end of your world, will you be helping out by going for someone else?

FDXLAG

Good question. Redeye I will let you PDO bump any of my stateside trips if you will take my STVs.

A300_Driver

You have got to be kidding...
The verbage of this thing alone is a huge step backwards:

1. ...rental allowance UP TO $2700 per month...
...money paid to a LANDLORD for water/utilities, internet/cable, ...MAY BE included in the rental allowance.
(how many times has the company shown there ability to violate the spirit of contractual language at our expense. This alone would prevent two NARROWBODY F/O's from sharing a place and pocketing ANY money to make up for the extra Cost of Living in either CDG or HKG).

2. From the recent FCIF: ...INTENTION of the Company to only inverse pilots for a max of one month...
(intention is not a binding word--it just means that's what they'd like to do, not that they will ever abide by it).

CHANGE the verbage to contractually binding terms:
"Rental allowance will be $2700 dollars" (without all the other qualifiers)
and "The Company will only inverse for up to ONE MONTH"
and you'd be likely to get me to agree to it.

In the mean time, this THING IS a Huge Step Backwards!!!

mcdbirdman

Correct if if I'm wrong but the one month limit can't go senior since it only applies to those folks inversed-Yes/No??

FDXLAG

Another interesting question the union can get answered while lunching with management tomorrow. Are 1 month STV biddable? If not isn't that a senority violation? Maybe I want a 1 month springtime in paris instead of the junior gut you gave it to.

fedupbusdriver

I didn't read anywhere that the voluntary STV will be 1 month, only the involuntary. I just do not think that many people will volunteer for a 3 month vacation in HKG, thus leaving the non vol still a large target. Also, with one month non vol, the bottom guys could end up going 4 times in the two year opening period. There will be many people going against their wills during the long period of time it will take to get 30 or so new junior airbus captains trained, because that is who will be bidding it. Same thing when they open the MD11 FDA 2 years later. While they train all of the 3yr MD11 capts that bid the FDA, the STV option will be eating its way up the current seniority list.

FDXLAG

I guess bidding STVs wasn't important enough to make it in to the LOA. We will just trust the company to do what is right.

dckozak

I can't believe your OK with some being forced into a STV. Any STV is a worse deal than we current work under, a definite step backwards
The company tried a STV (I think it had a different name than, TDY??) several years ago with the Bus in HKG; NO ONE BID IT!!

iarapilot

"If anyone thinks the current CBA language is better, they still have that option under the LOA with the addition of Tax equalization."

A 100% false statement. The "current option" HAS been changed in the LOA, therefore it is not a current option! And the equalization "benefit" does not benefit all.



"The RLA language concerning FDA's is what the UNION wanted 2 contracts ago but couldn't get."

Thats good that the Union wanted FDA language in the contract much earlier. Now, lets add to your sentence "language that would show respect to the hard work that the crew force has given the company; and not give away anything we have fought for up to this point".


They will never get it back! "

You are on the money with that statement. And what we are giving back, IMO, with this LOA, we will never get back. And, the LOA scope language is not a step back, or forward. I dont think there is any scope language in the LOA. The language used is only a plus to the company, not the crew force.

dckozak

So why should be buy into anything that isn't even close to being even.
1. Will housing costs stay flat (like the money offered) during the entire footprint of ones 2 year comment??
2. Will the dollar stay flat relative to the local currency??
3. While paying local taxes at home (for schools) that we can't use, are we not stepping backwards in having to pay for education??
4. Is Tax equalization the big advantage everyone (at the company and ALPA) seem to think it is?? If so, show me for each base (HKG and CDG) what I would pay to both the locals and Uncle Sam if the benefit wasn't there.
5. As far a medical coverage, no ones talking about it, I guess its another "trust me".