What does the LOA, CBA and sick leave
 

Hypothetical question:

Lets say the LOA passes.
The FDA bid opens and closes with a large number of junior pilots bidding and awarded 757 and A300 Capt slots. During the long time period that it will take to train all of these new capts for their bid award to HK and CDG the inverse faucet is turned on full blast, albeit one bid month at a time.

How will the company handle the situation when they inverse a pilot, and one day prior to his DH to his STV, he gets sick? Under the current CBA, he will be charged one trip at a time from his sick account, so first goes his DH. Then goes the first trip at his new temporary duty location. If he then calls back in well, are they going to send him then? I would think if he doesn't make his DH, then the company will have to react by sending someone in his place. Will this person be in a SIBA category? Will it just be the next reserve guy that is bidding his senior B reserve line so he can sit in MEM and not work all month? Will the original pilot be DH over when he gets well, to take up where his line left off? Will he sit home in MEM and fly makeup sick the rest of the month?

It seems to me that this is just another area where the company and union has not yet worked the kinks out yet. Will it require another LOA? They cannot just make up new rules as they go. Maybe the month long STV will be just one long pairing, and he will be charged with the entire credit hr of the month to his sick bank. Oh, wait, they can't make it one long pairing because there is nothing in the CBA or LOA to get someone out of a pay status between trips so that he is in his hotel room on pdo. What if you are in the middle of your STV and get sick from eating too much cat? Will you still get per diem while you are in sick status, or will the company come up with a way to not pay you the per diem because you are supposed to be on a paying trip to Manilla, but instead, you are hugging your porcelain throne?

Maybe there will be guys on reserve at the FDA. But then again, they would probably be the guys that were inversed to begin with. How will you keep connectivity with the company while on reserve in HK? I guess you will have to get yourself an international plan for the month that you are inversed. Or you could just stay in the hotel for 30-35 days waiting for the phone to ring.

If you bid and are awarded an STV, or are inversed, do you then bid lines from the FDA's bid pack? I would assume so. I wonder if reserve at the FDA will go senior? I guess it will depend on if the utilization is up. If a senior bus capt bids his 3 month great deal vacation, and subsequently bids reserve so he can tour everyday with his wife, he probably will not like getting that call that some inversed junior guy called in sick on his month long STV, and he now gets to fly it for him instead of taking the kids to see the sights.

What a cluster Fck this will be when you man FDAs with people who do not want to be there, or who think that they are going on a pdo vacation.

Any thoughts??????:confused:

Plus Theater training?
 

The other thing not mentioned much is the requirement to train each pilot for the theater of operations he is to work in.

One month non-vol STV? When will that guy get the "SIBA" type training that guys doing SIBA now get? (isn't that a 1day gs plus a LOFT?). How does that fit into the equation?

Cluster frick is an understatement! We should just start calling this what it is: a RUSHED attempt to put SOMETHING in place without the effort to work out, or think out the kinks.

SWISS CHEESE anyone?;)

fedup,
great points. It will be important that we work that out first or the company will set the standard that we won't be able to dispute.

Remember who benefits from all of the kinks.

If it isn't written................it is up to FRED!
Take that to the BANK (along with your per diem)

The MONEY solution
 

The STV has a simple solution, and I'm sure inverse will not be a player; ;)
Pay trip hours for the whole time we are TAFB, with of course, the addition of a spouse travel ticket as the cost for keeping us away from home longer than the contract (currently) allows.

Great points, you make a big assumption on DH pay. The lawyers can't answer the question.

It is all an assumption with this LOA, that is the point.

I have asked on this venue before as to what option gives the union the most leverage. In a perfect world, I would think we would vote yes, then no one bid the FDA. STV is then called into play for the entire FDA, then the non-vols call in sick at some point in their penance, before/during or near the end of STV. Pretty much making the whole thing unmanageable and untenable.

But yet...... I dream.......... (see avatar)

And, then they get to do their little tap dance in front of their ACP.

Not a good plan. Too many hostages.

But yet....... I dream......... (see avatar)

I've had her...Reality will never match your fantasies.

I suspect it will be incorporated into recurrent training

I am not encouraging a sick out situation. I am just considering everyday situations. People do get sick. I am just asking, how will it be handled?

My whole point here is that there is very little detail being given as to how STV or FDA assignments will be handled. Some of it does not fit in a cookie cutter way into our current CBA or the FDA.


I believe that this has been poorly planned out, poorly explained, and poorly conveyed from both the company (who I put my future trust in as far as how they do business, and the union who I pay 1.95 % of my pay to cover my a$$). WTF

it would be nice to have an LOA that you didn't have to expect, assume, hope, plead, guess, or beg. But none of the MEC members have a big enough set to admit they screwed up.

The union is doing a lot of assuming and trusting with this LOA. I agree, we need to assume the worst with this LOA and fix it now, not after they have it filled with junior pilots.

I agree that every question isn't answered. But this LOA doesn't rewrite or Modify
Section 4 , 12 and 25 of the contract. Those sections still apply. So yes I assume much because they still must abide by the Contract.

Well if the LOA fails the likehood of more Jr Pilots filling it increases do you agree?

The company offered us this LOA because they don't want to junior man our intl flying. If they hire right off the street to do this we still move up on the seniority list, just like we did when they hired purple nuggets in ANC.

So which question weren't answered that you will just trust the company on? Section 4 is certainly changed based on what the intent of trip rig is.