FedEx bets big in pilot offer?
05-15-2005, 09:26 AM
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FedEx bets big in pilot offer?
Talk about a biased headline. This offer is a joke.
FedEx bets big in offer to pilots
$500 million labor deal would gain lift over UPS
By Jane Roberts
Contact
May 15, 2005
In the latest test of who can deliver faster, FedEx Express is pushing to
fast-track its pilot negotiations, hoping to capitalize on the contract
quagmire at UPS.
A win, analysts say, will not only save FedEx payroll, but will allow it to
steal market share by scaring customers away from labor turbulence at Big
Brown, where 99 percent of pilots Wednesday voted for a strike.
"If you are Brand A and you see Brand X in negotiations, your greatest
desire is to get your deal done first so the other guy is forced to bargain
based on your deal," said David Field, Americas editor of Airline Business,
a London-based monthly magazine. "Whoever signs first stands to have a 1
percent or 2 percent advantage."
Two weeks ago, FedEx surprised the industry by offering its 4,300 pilots
more than $500 million in raises and signing bonuses if they would agree to
work under their 1999 contract and cease negotiations.
"We have said all we are going to say about the offer," said David Webb,
master executive council chairman of the FedEx unit of the Air Line Pilots
Association.
FedEx pilots say the offer is an example of the company "throwing money at
problems," and they plan to ignore the May 31 deadline FedEx set for a
response.
They say the offer is the company's way of ignoring the 14 months they have
spent in negotiations and keeping current work rule language intact, which
could force them to fly more hours without additional pay.
A union memo issued Friday says, "Every pilot, every pilot's spouse and
every pilot's dog need to understand that this attempt to bypass the
negotiating committee is about derailing our attempts to improve work
rules."
FedEx spokeswoman Kristin Krause says the offer gives pilots "much greater
job stability than any of their industry counterparts" and "brings a quick
end to negotiations," allowing them to extend their lead with "what is
easily the best contract in the airline industry today."
Pilots, she said, will continue to be able to work out scheduling
differences in monthly meetings with management.
The offer rippled across the industry, getting particular notice at UPS,
which has been negotiating with its pilots for nearly three years.
UPS MD11 captain Lee Collins has "sensed for some time" that FedEx was
trying to sign first.
"Then they can go to our customers and say, 'We've got our thing done;
everything's fine at our house, but what about Big Brown?' "
FedEx offer
Bonus and raise totals over five years:
A 15th-year captain flying a wide-body plane would get $90,422 in
raises and $40,000 in signing bonus. Total: $130,422
A 15th-year second officer in a wide-body plane would get $55,023 in
raises and $40,000 signing bonus. Total: $95,023
A sixth-year first officer flying wide-body plane would get $59,245 in
raises and $25,000 signing bonus. Total: $84,245
A two-year first officer flying a narrow body plane would get $46,515
in raises and $19,000 bonus. Total: $65,515
Figures provided by FedEx Express
The signing bonuses FedEx is offering are tied to seniority and max out at
$40,000 for 15-year captains and second officers.
The offer, which lets pilots choose among a three-, four- or five-year
contract, includes 3 percent annual raises. Over two years, it also would
pay someone who is now a first-year second officer a $19,000 signing bonus.
By fiscal year 2007, that pilot -- lowest on the ladder at FedEx -- would be
earning $84,640.
"That looks livable for a first-year guy," Collins said. "Our first year
guys make less than $30,000 in salary. If the FedEx guys get this, the UPS
guys are going to want at least that, if not more."
In 1997, FedEx gained 800,000 packages a day during the 12-day Teamster
strike that grounded UPS, said transportation analyst Satish Jindel.
"FedEx made $177 million in extra revenue in that period," he said. "Of that
volume, they retained maybe 15 percent after the strike, which is 120,000
packages a day."
If FedEx pilots take the "same approach that passenger pilots did for years,
they can look forward to the situation the passenger pilots have caused
their own industry.
"They have no pension, no job security and have faced huge cuts," Jindel
said.
While cargo pilots cringe when compared to passenger carriers, saying they
"fly against time" to make deadlines, Jindel says the comparison is fair
because flying people is harder than packages.
While the union agrees the raises and bonuses are a "big" number, its
financial analysis suggests they are "about 2.3 percent year-over-year
raises" because the pilots have worked a year under a "dead contract."
The contract became amendable last May. Negotiations began in March 2004.
The 1999 contract, they say, "is open to a lot of interpretation," allowing
the company to "change trips" and "have you in the field more," said one
FedEx pilot, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "It's not written in as
tight of language as we would want it."
Another issue is the amount of work FedEx outsources, pilots say.
"FedEx is so short of airplanes and crew members, it's subcontracting out
the work to get the freight moved," another FedEx pilot said, also on the
condition of anonymity.
"We're proud as we can be to fly all this FedEx freight," he said. "We'd
like to have that business for ourselves."
The pilots do not want to discuss the issues publicly, fearing a backlash
from either the union or the company.
At least one said the offer gives him optimism that a "deal could be worked
out by fall."
"The majority are not angry," he said. "I'd say most are satisfied with the
job and happy to be working for Federal Express.
"I personally would have taken the offer, and I think a number of others
would have too."
Copyright 2005, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. All Rights Reserved.
FedEx bets big in offer to pilots
$500 million labor deal would gain lift over UPS
By Jane Roberts
Contact
May 15, 2005
In the latest test of who can deliver faster, FedEx Express is pushing to
fast-track its pilot negotiations, hoping to capitalize on the contract
quagmire at UPS.
A win, analysts say, will not only save FedEx payroll, but will allow it to
steal market share by scaring customers away from labor turbulence at Big
Brown, where 99 percent of pilots Wednesday voted for a strike.
"If you are Brand A and you see Brand X in negotiations, your greatest
desire is to get your deal done first so the other guy is forced to bargain
based on your deal," said David Field, Americas editor of Airline Business,
a London-based monthly magazine. "Whoever signs first stands to have a 1
percent or 2 percent advantage."
Two weeks ago, FedEx surprised the industry by offering its 4,300 pilots
more than $500 million in raises and signing bonuses if they would agree to
work under their 1999 contract and cease negotiations.
"We have said all we are going to say about the offer," said David Webb,
master executive council chairman of the FedEx unit of the Air Line Pilots
Association.
FedEx pilots say the offer is an example of the company "throwing money at
problems," and they plan to ignore the May 31 deadline FedEx set for a
response.
They say the offer is the company's way of ignoring the 14 months they have
spent in negotiations and keeping current work rule language intact, which
could force them to fly more hours without additional pay.
A union memo issued Friday says, "Every pilot, every pilot's spouse and
every pilot's dog need to understand that this attempt to bypass the
negotiating committee is about derailing our attempts to improve work
rules."
FedEx spokeswoman Kristin Krause says the offer gives pilots "much greater
job stability than any of their industry counterparts" and "brings a quick
end to negotiations," allowing them to extend their lead with "what is
easily the best contract in the airline industry today."
Pilots, she said, will continue to be able to work out scheduling
differences in monthly meetings with management.
The offer rippled across the industry, getting particular notice at UPS,
which has been negotiating with its pilots for nearly three years.
UPS MD11 captain Lee Collins has "sensed for some time" that FedEx was
trying to sign first.
"Then they can go to our customers and say, 'We've got our thing done;
everything's fine at our house, but what about Big Brown?' "
FedEx offer
Bonus and raise totals over five years:
A 15th-year captain flying a wide-body plane would get $90,422 in
raises and $40,000 in signing bonus. Total: $130,422
A 15th-year second officer in a wide-body plane would get $55,023 in
raises and $40,000 signing bonus. Total: $95,023
A sixth-year first officer flying wide-body plane would get $59,245 in
raises and $25,000 signing bonus. Total: $84,245
A two-year first officer flying a narrow body plane would get $46,515
in raises and $19,000 bonus. Total: $65,515
Figures provided by FedEx Express
The signing bonuses FedEx is offering are tied to seniority and max out at
$40,000 for 15-year captains and second officers.
The offer, which lets pilots choose among a three-, four- or five-year
contract, includes 3 percent annual raises. Over two years, it also would
pay someone who is now a first-year second officer a $19,000 signing bonus.
By fiscal year 2007, that pilot -- lowest on the ladder at FedEx -- would be
earning $84,640.
"That looks livable for a first-year guy," Collins said. "Our first year
guys make less than $30,000 in salary. If the FedEx guys get this, the UPS
guys are going to want at least that, if not more."
In 1997, FedEx gained 800,000 packages a day during the 12-day Teamster
strike that grounded UPS, said transportation analyst Satish Jindel.
"FedEx made $177 million in extra revenue in that period," he said. "Of that
volume, they retained maybe 15 percent after the strike, which is 120,000
packages a day."
If FedEx pilots take the "same approach that passenger pilots did for years,
they can look forward to the situation the passenger pilots have caused
their own industry.
"They have no pension, no job security and have faced huge cuts," Jindel
said.
While cargo pilots cringe when compared to passenger carriers, saying they
"fly against time" to make deadlines, Jindel says the comparison is fair
because flying people is harder than packages.
While the union agrees the raises and bonuses are a "big" number, its
financial analysis suggests they are "about 2.3 percent year-over-year
raises" because the pilots have worked a year under a "dead contract."
The contract became amendable last May. Negotiations began in March 2004.
The 1999 contract, they say, "is open to a lot of interpretation," allowing
the company to "change trips" and "have you in the field more," said one
FedEx pilot, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "It's not written in as
tight of language as we would want it."
Another issue is the amount of work FedEx outsources, pilots say.
"FedEx is so short of airplanes and crew members, it's subcontracting out
the work to get the freight moved," another FedEx pilot said, also on the
condition of anonymity.
"We're proud as we can be to fly all this FedEx freight," he said. "We'd
like to have that business for ourselves."
The pilots do not want to discuss the issues publicly, fearing a backlash
from either the union or the company.
At least one said the offer gives him optimism that a "deal could be worked
out by fall."
"The majority are not angry," he said. "I'd say most are satisfied with the
job and happy to be working for Federal Express.
"I personally would have taken the offer, and I think a number of others
would have too."
Copyright 2005, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. All Rights Reserved.
05-15-2005, 09:43 AM
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It depends on how you read the headline I suppose. I think it's right on.
FedEx is making a big bet (betting big?) that it's pilot's won't be capable of public math in determining that the offer comes up short. Everyone likes a check for $20K, but cost it over the duration of the contract and FedEx pilots would be selling themselves WAY short...in my humble opinion.
FedEx is making a big bet (betting big?) that it's pilot's won't be capable of public math in determining that the offer comes up short. Everyone likes a check for $20K, but cost it over the duration of the contract and FedEx pilots would be selling themselves WAY short...in my humble opinion.
05-16-2005, 05:41 PM
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Fedex Deal
Originally Posted by WatchThis!
It depends on how you read the headline I suppose. I think it's right on.
FedEx is making a big bet (betting big?) that it's pilot's won't be capable of public math in determining that the offer comes up short. Everyone likes a check for $20K, but cost it over the duration of the contract and FedEx pilots would be selling themselves WAY short...in my humble opinion.
FedEx is making a big bet (betting big?) that it's pilot's won't be capable of public math in determining that the offer comes up short. Everyone likes a check for $20K, but cost it over the duration of the contract and FedEx pilots would be selling themselves WAY short...in my humble opinion.
05-16-2005, 06:00 PM
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WatchThis;
Have you looked at what kind of hourly rates FedEx management is proposing with this nonstarter deal? It's a straight 3% raise per year, so it would take over 3 years for a widebody MD-11/DC-10 capt. just to equal an ABX Air captain's 767 current rate. Go check it out yourself at www.airlinepilotcentral.com.
The bonus is a ploy to get the open time *****s (which we at UPS also have) drooling and perhaps split the pilot group.
FedEx is trying to maneuver to take advantage of the stalled contract talks of UPS with its pilots, but I don't think they'll get anywhere.
Lastly, from the union's perspective, What union would say Yes to changing only the compensation component of a long expired contract? No wonder the MEC stated the offer was DOA.
Have you looked at what kind of hourly rates FedEx management is proposing with this nonstarter deal? It's a straight 3% raise per year, so it would take over 3 years for a widebody MD-11/DC-10 capt. just to equal an ABX Air captain's 767 current rate. Go check it out yourself at www.airlinepilotcentral.com.
The bonus is a ploy to get the open time *****s (which we at UPS also have) drooling and perhaps split the pilot group.
FedEx is trying to maneuver to take advantage of the stalled contract talks of UPS with its pilots, but I don't think they'll get anywhere.
Lastly, from the union's perspective, What union would say Yes to changing only the compensation component of a long expired contract? No wonder the MEC stated the offer was DOA.
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