New hires to FDA's
08-01-2007, 07:15 PM
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New hires to FDA's
I keep reading on this board that FedEx doesn't want to send new hires to the FDA's. Where does this info come from? Did the company actually say that? As a wannabe I've been watching this LOA closely so am curious. If they did say no newbies to FDA's how could they prevent it if no one bid it? From what I understand the SVT would allow them to send people there but wouldn't that create a shortage stateside? And if CDG is the only domicile that flies the 75 wouldn't they then be forced to hire into it if no one bid it? I know its a lotta questions but having been in the hunt for FedEx for almost 9 years I'm not gonna get any answers until they hire me or you guys answer them for me.
08-01-2007, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck h
I keep reading on this board that FedEx doesn't want to send new hires to the FDA's. Where does this info come from? Did the company actually say that? As a wannabe I've been watching this LOA closely so am curious. If they did say no newbies to FDA's how could they prevent it if no one bid it? From what I understand the SVT would allow them to send people there but wouldn't that create a shortage stateside? And if CDG is the only domicile that flies the 75 wouldn't they then be forced to hire into it if no one bid it? I know its a lotta questions but having been in the hunt for FedEx for almost 9 years I'm not gonna get any answers until they hire me or you guys answer them for me.
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08-01-2007, 10:38 PM
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Where does this info come from?
The company has let it be known they do not "prefer" to put new hires in the FDA, but they have stated they will do that.
Did the company actually say that? Yes, that they don't "prefer" it.
If they did say no newbies to FDA's how could they prevent it if no one bid it?
They have not said "no newbies". In fact, that is supposedly an option they are considering if noone bids it.
From what I understand the SVT would allow them to send people there but wouldn't that create a shortage stateside?
Probably not, we're overmanned in the 727 FO and SO seats and they should be training alot of folks soon in anticipation of opening these FDAs.
And if CDG is the only domicile that flies the 75 wouldn't they then be forced to hire into it if no one bid it?
The 757 CDG slots have a very high chance of being filled by new hires --- especially the right seat. It is unknown if they will actually new hire into the left seat. i do not believe there is a company precedent for doing that.
Be advised. If this LOA does not pass, and the company does not offer certain aspects of this LOA to "new hires" living in these FDAs on 1st year pay (...and beyond) could be very, very painful and you may be stuck in these FDAs for quite some time.
Individual due diligence on the high costs assoiated with living in either of these FDA is strongly encouraged.
The company has let it be known they do not "prefer" to put new hires in the FDA, but they have stated they will do that.
Did the company actually say that? Yes, that they don't "prefer" it.
If they did say no newbies to FDA's how could they prevent it if no one bid it?
They have not said "no newbies". In fact, that is supposedly an option they are considering if noone bids it.
From what I understand the SVT would allow them to send people there but wouldn't that create a shortage stateside?
Probably not, we're overmanned in the 727 FO and SO seats and they should be training alot of folks soon in anticipation of opening these FDAs.
And if CDG is the only domicile that flies the 75 wouldn't they then be forced to hire into it if no one bid it?
The 757 CDG slots have a very high chance of being filled by new hires --- especially the right seat. It is unknown if they will actually new hire into the left seat. i do not believe there is a company precedent for doing that.
Be advised. If this LOA does not pass, and the company does not offer certain aspects of this LOA to "new hires" living in these FDAs on 1st year pay (...and beyond) could be very, very painful and you may be stuck in these FDAs for quite some time.
Individual due diligence on the high costs assoiated with living in either of these FDA is strongly encouraged.
08-01-2007, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck h
I keep reading on this board that FedEx doesn't want to send new hires to the FDA's. Where does this info come from? Did the company actually say that? As a wannabe I've been watching this LOA closely so am curious. If they did say no newbies to FDA's how could they prevent it if no one bid it? From what I understand the SVT would allow them to send people there but wouldn't that create a shortage stateside? And if CDG is the only domicile that flies the 75 wouldn't they then be forced to hire into it if no one bid it? I know its a lotta questions but having been in the hunt for FedEx for almost 9 years I'm not gonna get any answers until they hire me or you guys answer them for me.
(As a side note "the Plan" is to have MEM 757 seats as well as CDG, just no as many. )
They will have the option of a MEM 757 SIBA bid to cover unfilled CDG vacancies if any.
I think they knew the current FDA rules in the contract would make a Bid in either FDA more junior, especially in CAN.
They said they would prefer (not require) more experienced crews in both FDA's.
It remains to be seen if they get their preference or not. I guess we will know the answer as early as October.
If you believe all that is posted on this forum as the majority, the LOA probably will fail and I forsee FDX needing to hire from the street to both FDAs.
I will agree getting assigned to either base as a new hire FO could pose difficulties for a Family man(or woman), but if that is what it takes to get a seniority number here, it would probably be worth it in the long run. In any case, good luck in your hunt!
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08-01-2007, 10:58 PM
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Either way, a new hire guy/very junior will be in the fda. if the loa passes, guess who is first up for the std...a junior guy in whatever aircraft it is. if the loa does not pass, then fedex hires direct into the right seat. the problem is for these new hires (and a big thing to think about):
1. You will not get any extra money to make it happen...first year pay is spend on rental - only food you can afford will be the "domestic snack pack"
2. you are stuck in the fda until the company hires more pilots...how long is any ones guess
3. you will be an at will pilot for that first year and who knows what kind of deal the company will give you if you don't last the time overseas
just something to look at as a potential new hire. fedex is a great company to work for, but they are a business, and their needs definitely come first.
1. You will not get any extra money to make it happen...first year pay is spend on rental - only food you can afford will be the "domestic snack pack"
2. you are stuck in the fda until the company hires more pilots...how long is any ones guess
3. you will be an at will pilot for that first year and who knows what kind of deal the company will give you if you don't last the time overseas
just something to look at as a potential new hire. fedex is a great company to work for, but they are a business, and their needs definitely come first.
08-01-2007, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by angry tanker
Either way, a new hire guy/very junior will be in the fda. if the loa passes, guess who is first up for the std...a junior guy in whatever aircraft it is. if the loa does not pass, then fedex hires direct into the right seat. the problem is for these new hires (and a big thing to think about):
1. You will not get any extra money to make it happen...first year pay is spend on rental - only food you can afford will be the "domestic snack pack"
2. you are stuck in the fda until the company hires more pilots...how long is any ones guess
3. you will be an at will pilot for that first year and who knows what kind of deal the company will give you if you don't last the time overseasjust something to look at as a potential new hire. fedex is a great company to work for, but they are a business, and their needs definitely come first.
1. You will not get any extra money to make it happen...first year pay is spend on rental - only food you can afford will be the "domestic snack pack"
2. you are stuck in the fda until the company hires more pilots...how long is any ones guess
3. you will be an at will pilot for that first year and who knows what kind of deal the company will give you if you don't last the time overseasjust something to look at as a potential new hire. fedex is a great company to work for, but they are a business, and their needs definitely come first.
08-02-2007, 04:56 AM
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To clarify the clarification. If the LOA fails and the company refuses to negotiate, they have the option of saying the RLA protection will not exists in the FDAs. Think any french labor lawyers speak english?
08-02-2007, 05:58 AM
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I can't wait to see what is going to happen with these FDAs. My .02 cents, this scenario will be handled the same way as the MD ANC Purple Nugget program. We are overmanned, but, with the planned growth, I think we are a bit short.
The idea of hiring into the right seat to fill FDAs WILL NOT stop big purple!! We're talking about BILLIONS of dollars here. With 12K plus applicants, they won't have a problem hand-picking those pilots who have a more appropriate resume. Also, what is worse, regional pay here CONUS, guard bumming for a couple more years, waiting for JB, Continental, UA, etc or first year pay at FDX overseas? No brainer in my book.
When I was in the pool, my wife and I discussed what if FDX called to go to ANC? We didn't even blink an eye in answering that question. It's a multi-million dollar career choice. Bottom line, five years from now, we'll look back and say it was DEFINITELY worth it. Was I going to tell FDX no thanks? Are you on crack?
I think we will have to hire again soon. I think these FDAs will have alot of new hires in them.
The idea of hiring into the right seat to fill FDAs WILL NOT stop big purple!! We're talking about BILLIONS of dollars here. With 12K plus applicants, they won't have a problem hand-picking those pilots who have a more appropriate resume. Also, what is worse, regional pay here CONUS, guard bumming for a couple more years, waiting for JB, Continental, UA, etc or first year pay at FDX overseas? No brainer in my book.
When I was in the pool, my wife and I discussed what if FDX called to go to ANC? We didn't even blink an eye in answering that question. It's a multi-million dollar career choice. Bottom line, five years from now, we'll look back and say it was DEFINITELY worth it. Was I going to tell FDX no thanks? Are you on crack?
I think we will have to hire again soon. I think these FDAs will have alot of new hires in them.
08-02-2007, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by magic rat
I can't wait to see what is going to happen with these FDAs. My .02 cents, this scenario will be handled the same way as the MD ANC Purple Nugget program. We are overmanned, but, with the planned growth, I think we are a bit short.
The idea of hiring into the right seat to fill FDAs WILL NOT stop big purple!! We're talking about BILLIONS of dollars here. With 12K plus applicants, they won't have a problem hand-picking those pilots who have a more appropriate resume. Also, what is worse, regional pay here CONUS, guard bumming for a couple more years, waiting for JB, Continental, UA, etc or first year pay at FDX overseas? No brainer in my book.
When I was in the pool, my wife and I discussed what if FDX called to go to ANC? We didn't even blink an eye in answering that question. It's a multi-million dollar career choice. Bottom line, five years from now, we'll look back and say it was DEFINITELY worth it. Was I going to tell FDX no thanks? Are you on crack?
I think we will have to hire again soon. I think these FDAs will have alot of new hires in them.
The idea of hiring into the right seat to fill FDAs WILL NOT stop big purple!! We're talking about BILLIONS of dollars here. With 12K plus applicants, they won't have a problem hand-picking those pilots who have a more appropriate resume. Also, what is worse, regional pay here CONUS, guard bumming for a couple more years, waiting for JB, Continental, UA, etc or first year pay at FDX overseas? No brainer in my book.
When I was in the pool, my wife and I discussed what if FDX called to go to ANC? We didn't even blink an eye in answering that question. It's a multi-million dollar career choice. Bottom line, five years from now, we'll look back and say it was DEFINITELY worth it. Was I going to tell FDX no thanks? Are you on crack?
I think we will have to hire again soon. I think these FDAs will have alot of new hires in them.
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