fdxmd11fo

But this LOA changes the wording to allow it to effect everyone on the seniority list. Under the current contract if it isn't in my standing bid they can't force me at all

Haywood JB

It has nothing to do with your standing bid. It has to do with what seat you are in. If you are qualified in the seat, that's when you can get inversed. If you bid it, that is a different animal.

DiamondZ

Where are you guys reading this?

Are you saying that under the CBA, you cant be sent to a FDA?

If so, yes I agree 100% but you can be sent to ANC or LAX for a bid period.

The TV concept is something currently in the contract.

hyperone

The CBA says,
4. Temporary Vacancy Awards
a. A temporary vacancy(ies) shall be awarded in order of seniority to pilots
who:
i. are currently qualified in and currently hold a permanent position in the
crew status in which the temporary vacancy exists at a base(s)
specified by the Company as provided in Section 24.B.2.b.; and
ii. have requested that temporary vacancy on their standing bid.
b. If a temporary vacancy(ies) remains following the award process the most
junior pilot(s) described in Section 24.C.4.a.i., (above), may be assigned
that vacancy(ies) in order of reverse system seniority. A pilot may not be
assigned to a temporary vacancy in accordance with this paragraph for
longer than 1 bid period nor more than once in any period of 14
consecutive bid periods until all more senior pilots in his crew position have
been inversely assigned to those temporary vacancies.

So, the first guys who would be sent to a TV would be guys who have listed the domicile on their STANDING BID. If they can't fill all of the seats they need, then they will start up the seniority list in inverse order.

Your right in that they could theoretically send people unwillingly from MEM to LAX temporarily. Has that ever happened? Not to my knowledge. And if it did, people could still commute. With the LOA on HKG and CDG, commuting will not be an option - you're stuck there. And unlike the TVA section of the contract, the STV section of the LOA will very likely be required to be used by the company.

Is this the biggest problem with this thing? Not in my opinion. But it does have the potential to affect the largest number of people should this thing pass.

FDXLAG

Once in every 14 months our until everyone on the senority list is hit.

Or

Once in every six months and then we start at the bottom of the list again.

I wonder why the senior dudes on the NC like this language.

DiamondZ

I asked TonyC if he had any knowledge of that section of the CBA being utilized and he said he did not. I agree that it hasnt happened and probably will be used as a STV.

My understanding is that after the standing bid has closed, there would be a monthly bid to fill the open vacancies. If vacancies still existed then you'd be inversed.

I also agree that you could still commute to ANC/LAX. I see the compromise as, 'we send you over there (CDG,HKG) for the bid period we'll pay for your wife and kids tickets'. Not necessarily the end of the world....

FDXLAG

Plase read all the CBA. Section 5.G says you will get perdiem and a hotel room for your complete Temporary Vacancy.

That is also the section that says you will Deadhead as opposed to the LOAs "positioned".

DiamondZ

I stand corrected...thank you

Laker

From the CBA,

1. DEADHEAD (DH)
   Travel scheduled by the Company to position a pilot.

This does not appear to be a significant difference.

The question is, if there is an off-duty period before your first duty, is this considered a deadhead to revenue operations?

CBA 8.A.1 Deadheading To Revenue Operations
A pilot scheduled to deadhead to or from revenue operations shall receive pay and credit as provided in Section 4.F. (Trip Guarantee).

This problem applies equally to the CBA and the LOA. The LOA does not make this provision worse, but it does not fix it either.

Albief15

I wouldnt' sweat all this STV BS.

If you vote this in, we will get to find out all the details in due time. I'm sure the rules will be fair and square. Quit worrying about little stuff like does your deadhead over count against your work time....

Geez...do you wanna let the Chinese fly the freight? You gonna rob your buddy of his $2700? It will be the end of FedEx and our entire crew force if you don't give the company the flexibility it needs to make this work.