No, I do not think that is the case. But, we will see. I do know of one Captain bidding it. He has lived there for years. I dont blame him....I would too. As I said, the SFS guys feel like they had it stuck to them, and all that end up in a new FDA, with this LOA. Now, if you had lived in Asia for a decade, would you want to move to the US just to show unity(or whatever one would call it)? That would be irrational. They would be shooting themselves in the foot; after having been shot in the other foot by the 68%ers!

The SFS guys have mostly done the right thing. Voting no on the LOA, flying schedule only during negotiations, etc. For those that might bid HKG (according to DW), that would be their right under the new POS. But, if some would have ill will toward those bidders, all I would say is divide and conquer from within. This has been proven already by the MEC/NC with their vote yes or else letters, among other things they have done.

 

Having started this thread, I would like to officially state my position. I agree with the above statement. The SFS pilots have done the right thing and were a great help in getting the company to an agreement in the last contract (along with the ANC and LAX pilots), thanks! I would not expect the SFS pilots to up and leave the region. I expect the rest of the pilots to not bid either and wait until the pot is sweetened.

 

Too late man. How is passing the buck to a new hire going to help anything? I'm not sure if you realize this but these FDAs WILL BE MANNED. Period. By us, by new hires, by whoever. Not bidding it will not change a thing.

I voted no. I don't fly DPs and try to educate those who do. I didn't fly extra during negotiations. I emailed countless people encouraging them to read and understand what a bad deal the LOA is. I still get fired up about the result. But to try and tell me that not bidding it is going to change anything is foolish. It sounds like an LOA supporters scope argument: good in theory, but absolutely no realistic substance.

I'll tell you how bad it is if I can hold it.

 

I'm with you. I was a no voter and worked hard to educate others. I am not advocating passing the buck to new hires. They cannot fill every seat with new hires. I don't think they have time to train and season Capt and F/O new hires. If only half of the Subic pilots stay, that leaves a lot of slots left in both Hong Kong and Paris. If nobody bids them, what will the company do?

 

I wonder how many people voted for it without even reading it. They voted for it because the MEC approved it.

 

65%

And Lipout, I'm with you. I think if everybody except the Subic guys that are established and want to stay would leave this alone, the company would come back and offer a better package.

 

I'll bet 63% went with the MEC. I talked to many people and their response was they were going with the union. Most were to lazy to do any research or go to the forums and get information. They just didn't care because it did not effect them. The big "SCOPE" used car pitch is what made them come out in groves to vote for this POS.

 

I bet you 50% of the yes votes didn't read the LOA.

Even if the seats are filled with new hires, that leaves months of STV's to fill those seats, but my crystal ball says they positions will get filled.

What will be more interesting to see is how long these folks will be stuck there.(three years between bid cycles...)

 

Heck, I bet it was more like 75% of the yes voters didn't read the LOA and would hazard a guess that fully 90% of those people didn't bother to look at the current section 6 to see what a person who elected the "ehanced" option would be giving up.

It's going to be real interesting to see how it all pans out over the next few years as reality sets in for those folks over there. Past actions would indicate the Union not lifting a finger to improve their lot and when they make any sort of noise about it, they'll just be labelled as whining renegades on the fringe of the bell curve.

Pretty sad, really.

 

Nope. Too late. Any chance of the company coming back with a better package vanished when the ballot closed on August 10th.

We had leverage until we handed them STV, foreign labor court immunity, a massive relocation cost cut, a cost recouping tax scheme reinforced by a GT blanket waiver which would allow basing in the tax haven.
The company negotiators had a BIG party that night!

They don't need anyone to bid it, but the left seats will fill anyway. What they don't fill with a system bid will be covered by STVs and they'll have two years to bring enough folks in to fill any holes remaining in the right seat.

The deal is done. The company won.