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Old 08-16-2007, 04:32 AM
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Hello all,

I am new to the forum. I am curious, I know that the C-130 is used as a carrier for some civilian companies, but why has this not been the same case for the C-5 or C-17, or even the C-141's? Instead of FedEx or UPS investing in the A380s or 777 freighters, why not civilian variants of these cargo jets? Is it operating cost? It would be cool to see a C-17 in FedEx or UPS livery. Just curious to see if this was something that was ever considered.
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Originally Posted by DILLA View Post
Hello all,

I am new to the forum. I am curious, I know that the C-130 is used as a carrier for some civilian companies, but why has this not been the same case for the C-5 or C-17, or even the C-141's? Instead of FedEx or UPS investing in the A380s or 777 freighters, why not civilian variants of these cargo jets? Is it operating cost? It would be cool to see a C-17 in FedEx or UPS livery. Just curious to see if this was something that was ever considered.
Because the drive on/off capability built into those airplanes are not needed and or wanted. So it adds additional weight and money to the airframes. A civilian variant of the C17 was proposed but government subsidies for the unneeded drive on/off capanility was a no go.
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No company interested in making a profit would buy a C-5 for operations. "The world on time", "Absolutely, positively, overnight", "The speed of business"----forget it
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The other factor is speed. Military transports are typically big, fat , high wing designs. They are slow. Big difference cruising at .74-.77 versus the civil freighters cruising at .83-.85M. Outsize load designs and drive on/off capability as mentioned before as well.
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In general, the large military transports, i.e. C-5, C-141, C-17, do not meet FAR 25 certification standards and the cost of re-design and/or retrofit is prohibitive.
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Originally Posted by K4FE View Post
In general, the large military transports, i.e. C-5, C-141, C-17, do not meet FAR 25 certification standards and the cost of re-design and/or retrofit is prohibitive.
Actually, the C5 (L500), C141 (L300) are FAR 25 A/C. Don't know about the C17.

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C-17 doesn't the range of a 74 when you fill it up with freight.
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Originally Posted by Trash Hauler 1 View Post
Actually, the C5 (L500), C141 (L300) are FAR 25 A/C. Don't know about the C17.

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Lockheed took the time and spent the money for certification, Douglas didn't.
Although unlike the C5 and C141, the C17 is being sold to other countries for their Air Forces.
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Boeing has been trying to market a civil model of the C-17 which it calls the BC-17. I've heard there have been some nibbles but not enough to justify the cost of engineering the required changes and certification.
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C-130 is certified as the L-100 and the L-382.
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