Training Canceled?
09-12-2007, 04:02 PM
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Training Canceled?
I had my CMV2/CLOE canceled with 3 days notice because they needed my sim slot for another crew that busted or something. I originally had a 91 hour line, now I have 76 hours of pay on a 81 hour BLG after view/add (nothing else would fit the line). Looks like I'll be short BLG, and the training pay won't be there to make it up now except about 3 hours for the CBTs.
My question is; am I entitled to anything for this, since without training I would have left my line at 91 hours since it was commutable? Training caused me to totally redesign my line, and now they took it away. (Looks like 2 days in base for no pay before the next trip!)
My question is; am I entitled to anything for this, since without training I would have left my line at 91 hours since it was commutable? Training caused me to totally redesign my line, and now they took it away. (Looks like 2 days in base for no pay before the next trip!)
09-12-2007, 06:03 PM
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If nothing else, you are certainly entitled to my sympathy, and have it. It stinks when your forced to change your schedule, for reasons beyond your control. However, if it's any consolation, I'm sure the guys who busted, are very appreciative of your sim time to allow them to regain their currency.
09-12-2007, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Flaps50
I had my CMV2/CLOE canceled with 3 days notice because they needed my sim slot for another crew that busted or something. I originally had a 91 hour line, now I have 76 hours of pay on a 81 hour BLG after view/add (nothing else would fit the line). Looks like I'll be short BLG, and the training pay won't be there to make it up now except about 3 hours for the CBTs.
My question is; am I entitled to anything for this, since without training I would have left my line at 91 hours since it was commutable? Training caused me to totally redesign my line, and now they took it away. (Looks like 2 days in base for no pay before the next trip!)
My question is; am I entitled to anything for this, since without training I would have left my line at 91 hours since it was commutable? Training caused me to totally redesign my line, and now they took it away. (Looks like 2 days in base for no pay before the next trip!)
Did the time end up in your make-up bank? At least you can make it up later.
I had a sim cancel two months in a row and each time I had to fight for the pay. They said since I didn't complete the sim I wouldn't get paid.
I had to argue that since I showed up on a day off, I should get paid. I did.
09-12-2007, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Flaps50
I had my CMV2/CLOE canceled with 3 days notice because they needed my sim slot for another crew that busted or something. I originally had a 91 hour line, now I have 76 hours of pay on a 81 hour BLG after view/add (nothing else would fit the line). Looks like I'll be short BLG, and the training pay won't be there to make it up now except about 3 hours for the CBTs.
My question is; am I entitled to anything for this, since without training I would have left my line at 91 hours since it was commutable? Training caused me to totally redesign my line, and now they took it away. (Looks like 2 days in base for no pay before the next trip!)
My question is; am I entitled to anything for this, since without training I would have left my line at 91 hours since it was commutable? Training caused me to totally redesign my line, and now they took it away. (Looks like 2 days in base for no pay before the next trip!)
09-13-2007, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTail
Excellent question and I'm very interested in how this will turn out but I would call ALPA and have them investigate your options for you. Put those hard earned union dues to work for yourself, the resourses are available so use them to your advantage.
I'll let you guys know the outcome.
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09-13-2007, 06:40 AM
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Don't Let ALPA Roll on this one
Don't let ALPA roll over on this one - this is obviously not the intent we had when negotiating the contract - at least I hope we wouldn't be that stupid. So make sure you get paid - not just something put in your make up bank. There's too many of us that have hundreds of hours in our make up bank that will never be able to make up. It's only make up - it's not money. If nothing else, have them assign you R-24 for two days. If the company doesn't pay, grieve it, even if ALPA says it doesn't want to. I'm tired of our contract eroding away because we dont' fight.
09-13-2007, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FX Bone Guy
Don't let ALPA roll over on this one - this is obviously not the intent we had when negotiating the contract - at least I hope we wouldn't be that stupid. So make sure you get paid - not just something put in your make up bank. There's too many of us that have hundreds of hours in our make up bank that will never be able to make up. It's only make up - it's not money. If nothing else, have them assign you R-24 for two days. If the company doesn't pay, grieve it, even if ALPA says it doesn't want to. I'm tired of our contract eroding away because we dont' fight.
09-13-2007, 10:56 PM
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I had my training cnx at the last minute as well. My training had conflicted a BLG trip, but now that trip is lost and there is no undisputed trips in open time. I called Alpa contract folks and they said the contract does not help on this one. They can do it to you and you lose the pay protection.
09-14-2007, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Stork
I had my training cnx at the last minute as well. My training had conflicted a BLG trip, but now that trip is lost and there is no undisputed trips in open time. I called Alpa contract folks and they said the contract does not help on this one. They can do it to you and you lose the pay protection.
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