FlyAstarJets

No, they can't.

Because if they were to strike, ALPA council017 would honor that strike and we would tell them so months in advance and fully support fellow trade Unionist. And if you are going to attempt to use a quote, then use it correctly and not out of context. The Phrase "Once a scab, never a Teamster" is a Teamster rallying cry for support. This phrase was used in it's entirety over the shield and not just the word "scab".

If you would like to participate constructively in the discussion, it's cool. But please, don't try to fan the flames. Especially if, as you say, you don't have a dog in this fight.
FAJ

Red Baron

FAJ,

If you want flames and dogs just ask any of us 1224 members what we think of your youtube show. We don't need any reminders of our strike obligations from your group. We don't cross picket lines or fly struck work like some ALPA pilots. You and your MEC have severed relations to, possibly, the point of no return with our pilot group. It's a shame because you could have received "ALL" of our support, which is what you need. So keep playing your ALPA vs. Teamster political games and you'll find out soon enough where that will get you!

Hugh Jass

I think the use of Once a scab was a great idea...since it is an actual teamsters sloagan/ad and the teamsters preach it...and a union is about to strike across your ramp...I think it is very good logic and I hope the truth does not hurt. It should only be taken as an insult if you actually plan on not honoring your own words.

Put your money where your mouth is....practice what you preach.


If there were bad blood between the 2 pilot groups it is due to fabrications in thier own minds...or false information that the leaders are telling them...or just pure stupidity.


If there is bad blood because ALPA showed a video of solidarity and do the right thing reminder to Teamsters by showing one of their own ads....then the real truth must hurt and you are already justifying in your own minds by blaming the leadership.


"Those guys are A-hole's so lets justify scabbing" or "Its the leaderships fault...so lets justify scabbing" or "he did it..so I will too" are all terrible excuses for not doing the right thing.

I'm not saying anyone has said this....but I am trying to make a point. DO THE RIGHT THING because there is no justification other than that.

rollndadice

Funniest thing about it is that ALPA has more scabs than anyone. And the fact that if astar did strike, not a single person could be called a scab since all a strike would do is block anyone from flying Astars freight, not DHL's. Maybe Astar could file a suit to define "scabbing".

Hugh Jass

I guess the the truth hurts then....now I see why Astars use of an actual Teamster ad would cause pain & justification of whatever you want.

If you are hoping that when ASTAR strikes...ABX will just walk in and take what is rightfully theirs and ASTAR just goes away...then I can see why talks have broken down with leadership of Teamsters and ALPA.....because you just want Astar to go away no matter what the cost to your morals.

You are next and I can Garauntee that ALPA will honor your strike....even if you dont honor theirs.

I'm done...because it is like talking to a brick wall.

Good luck to everyone on both sides...I really mean it.

Red Baron

Hugh,
Your pretty good with computer graphics but your knowledge of the situation is lacking. It's not the Teamsters spouting off. This situation at Astar has become a political playing field for ALPA. ALPA may be facing decertification at U.S. Airways and United soon. They need to use the Astar cause to save face no matter who they tick off. Anyways, you should know what teamsters are all about after supporting the driver's strike at brown. No fabrications here, just plain simple truth.

Red Baron

HJ,

Yeah, just like the Delta pilots did during Comair's strike. Be careful what you guarantee!

Hugh Jass

Good luck to both pilot groups... both of you get together and do the right thing for your unions out in the middle of a corn field to ensure both of your futures are solid and DHL doesn't get the best of you. DHL is hoping that you will eat your own in order to keep their costs down by playing you against each other.

Thats the bottom line.

This is a tense time for everyone in ILN....so do the right thing.

I guess it is totally not up to your local leadership anyway....it is really up to Teamster President Jimmy Hoffa and ALPA President John Prater to figure out how both sides handle it.

Dont let this tense situation make you lose the professionalism and courtesy's both pilots give each other on a daily basis...whether it be on a jumpseat or on a webboard. Also remember there are extreem pilots who can & will spout off inflamitorys on both sides....but they do not reflect the thoughts or ideals of either pilot group as a whole.

av8or

"So keep playing your ALPA vs. Teamster political games and you'll find out soon enough where that will get you!"

Alright, soooo since ALPA doesn't play nice, as you see it, as far as your concerned there's no such thing as struck work, and you've got no problem flying anywhere DHL wants you to fly DHL boxes? Hope it doesn't come to that RB. I don't think that'd be pretty. Not threatening, I just think that might not work out too well in the long run. But hey.....yall do what ya gotta do. We're mentally prepared for that.

box-hauler

Not to cause problems but did Delta honor Comairs strike? That was an ALPA carrier on ALPA carrier comparison. Not sure of the specifics but if someone buys a ticket on Delta.com they do not care or even know if it is comair or delta, they just want to go to MCO. So in this scenario is it acceptable for delta to fly to the city served by comair hauling pax that were supposed to go on a comair flight. Is that considered scabbing? Not trying to flame just wondering how Delta got by the strike without scabbing? As a "line guy" I will support my union and hope that they support our Astar brothers. Again this could be resolved rather easily by agreeing to a common seniority list of the 2 groups. Make the list, agree in writing to it and then take it to all 3 management teams (Astar, Abx and DHL) and let them know they now are dealing with 1 pilot group. PERIOD..................