Astar Picketing in ILN
09-17-2007, 02:43 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by rollndadice
Funniest thing about it is that ALPA has more scabs than anyone. And the fact that if astar did strike, not a single person could be called a scab since all a strike would do is block anyone from flying Astars freight, not DHL's. Maybe Astar could file a suit to define "scabbing".
http://astarlabortalks.com/pdf/117-2...e%20082307.pdf
Besides...if ASTAR wanted to screw ABX, all they would have to do is sign a concessionary contract and avoid a strike.
What it comes down to whether a pilot or pilot group (ALPA, TEMASTER, IPA, APA ...ect) hides behind the excuse of a TRO (a TRO will happen...you can bet the farm) when a strike does occur. When the dust settles...everyone will know who the SCABS are because it is spelled out in plain english.
IF A UNIONS LEADERSHIP TELLS IT'S MEMBERS TO FLY DEFINED STRUCK WORK THEN IT IS UP TO THOSE MEMBERS TO QUESTION ITS LEADERSHIPS ABILITIES. IF YOUR LEADERSHIP TELLS YOU TO FLY DEFINED STRUCK WORK...THEN YOUR LEADERSHIP SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VERY FLAWED. YOUR DECISIONS CAN HELP OR HAUNT YOU THE REST OF YOUR CAREER.
Last edited by Hugh Jass; 09-17-2007 at 02:55 PM.
09-17-2007, 02:44 PM
#32
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av8or,
I never said there was no such thing as struck work. You have confused a posting by rollndadice with mine. If there is a legal picket line, I will not cross it. If I am told to fly DHL freight to a city serviced only by Astar, I will not fly it. It's that simple and it's the Teamster way. We don't need to be reminded of our struck work policy as Teamsters. Just don't shove ALPA political B.S. down our throats!
R.B.
I never said there was no such thing as struck work. You have confused a posting by rollndadice with mine. If there is a legal picket line, I will not cross it. If I am told to fly DHL freight to a city serviced only by Astar, I will not fly it. It's that simple and it's the Teamster way. We don't need to be reminded of our struck work policy as Teamsters. Just don't shove ALPA political B.S. down our throats!
R.B.
09-17-2007, 05:19 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Red Baron
av8or,
I never said there was no such thing as struck work. You have confused a posting by rollndadice with mine. If there is a legal picket line, I will not cross it. If I am told to fly DHL freight to a city serviced only by Astar, I will not fly it. It's that simple and it's the Teamster way. We don't need to be reminded of our struck work policy as Teamsters. Just don't shove ALPA political B.S. down our throats!
R.B.
I never said there was no such thing as struck work. You have confused a posting by rollndadice with mine. If there is a legal picket line, I will not cross it. If I am told to fly DHL freight to a city serviced only by Astar, I will not fly it. It's that simple and it's the Teamster way. We don't need to be reminded of our struck work policy as Teamsters. Just don't shove ALPA political B.S. down our throats!
R.B.
Thanks for the support and I agree there's too much political B.S. everywhere. As line pilots, we're all out there every night hauling boxes and trying to put bread on the table for our families. There's really not that much difference between us all.
The ALPA link has defined struck work as a snapshot of all the work that Astar flew on a specific date (8/24 I believe) and only that work. If and when Astar pilots strike, only those flights would be off limits. I suppose I may have the details skewed a bit, but that is the situation as I understand it.
Sorry to see that some have misinterperated the (borrowed) Teamster rally call as a slam against all ABX folks. I think it was meant as a reminder to any pilot who feel they can fly whatever and whenever they want. Every airline has a pilot or two that would scab. I know Astar does. So don't take it as a slam against all ABX pilots. The message is directed towards any pilot who would scab struck work; Astar, ABX, or otherwise.
8Driver
09-17-2007, 06:41 PM
#34
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Here's a quote from the DPWN investor relations website. Maybe the news report of UPS being interested in buying a share of DPWN has some merit?
"In light of the oligopolistic and mature market structure in the US, it will be
difficult for DHL Express to achieve a competitive position even after the integration of Airborne is completed."
"In light of the oligopolistic and mature market structure in the US, it will be
difficult for DHL Express to achieve a competitive position even after the integration of Airborne is completed."
09-17-2007, 07:07 PM
#35
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09-17-2007, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
R.B.
Thanks for the support and I agree there's too much political B.S. everywhere. As line pilots, we're all out there every night hauling boxes and trying to put bread on the table for our families. There's really not that much difference between us all.
The ALPA link has defined struck work as a snapshot of all the work that Astar flew on a specific date (8/24 I believe) and only that work. If and when Astar pilots strike, only those flights would be off limits. I suppose I may have the details skewed a bit, but that is the situation as I understand it.
Sorry to see that some have misinterperated the (borrowed) Teamster rally call as a slam against all ABX folks. I think it was meant as a reminder to any pilot who feel they can fly whatever and whenever they want. Every airline has a pilot or two that would scab. I know Astar does. So don't take it as a slam against all ABX pilots. The message is directed towards any pilot who would scab struck work; Astar, ABX, or otherwise.
8Driver
Thanks for the support and I agree there's too much political B.S. everywhere. As line pilots, we're all out there every night hauling boxes and trying to put bread on the table for our families. There's really not that much difference between us all.
The ALPA link has defined struck work as a snapshot of all the work that Astar flew on a specific date (8/24 I believe) and only that work. If and when Astar pilots strike, only those flights would be off limits. I suppose I may have the details skewed a bit, but that is the situation as I understand it.
Sorry to see that some have misinterperated the (borrowed) Teamster rally call as a slam against all ABX folks. I think it was meant as a reminder to any pilot who feel they can fly whatever and whenever they want. Every airline has a pilot or two that would scab. I know Astar does. So don't take it as a slam against all ABX pilots. The message is directed towards any pilot who would scab struck work; Astar, ABX, or otherwise.
8Driver
09-17-2007, 08:56 PM
#37
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The DAL ALPA pilots DID honor the Comair strike. They did not fly exclusive CMR routes, nor did they increase frequency to any CMR cities. This left DAL Managment in a very tough position and instead of the CMR pilots winding up on the streets for (as they surely would have) they ended up with a workable CBA.
DAL management learned a lesson in struck work at the same time. To counter any future efforts they have added "overlap" and greatly narrowed exclusive cities served by ALL their feeders. As any commuter knows, you can fly 3 different DAL codeshare partners from many cities into the hubs.
DAL management learned a lesson in struck work at the same time. To counter any future efforts they have added "overlap" and greatly narrowed exclusive cities served by ALL their feeders. As any commuter knows, you can fly 3 different DAL codeshare partners from many cities into the hubs.
09-18-2007, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinboxes
The DAL ALPA pilots DID honor the Comair strike. They did not fly exclusive CMR routes, nor did they increase frequency to any CMR cities. This left DAL Managment in a very tough position and instead of the CMR pilots winding up on the streets for (as they surely would have) they ended up with a workable CBA.
DAL management learned a lesson in struck work at the same time. To counter any future efforts they have added "overlap" and greatly narrowed exclusive cities served by ALL their feeders. As any commuter knows, you can fly 3 different DAL codeshare partners from many cities into the hubs.
DAL management learned a lesson in struck work at the same time. To counter any future efforts they have added "overlap" and greatly narrowed exclusive cities served by ALL their feeders. As any commuter knows, you can fly 3 different DAL codeshare partners from many cities into the hubs.
I called to check on a flight to a Commair city and Delta had replaced the equipment with a larger aircraft. We flew Southwest.
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