Oct disputed pairing
09-30-2007 | 05:44 PM
#11
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If memory serves (and that is always questionable) the 'Boston Massacre' trip became undisputed due to individuals continually opting to pick it up in open time.
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We are our own worst enemy.
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10-01-2007 | 03:41 AM
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Well...harrassing someone is bad form. However, if they have a trip to trade, you could always call and do that. Before you DROP a trip that isn't a DP...call one of these guys and offer it to him for his trip...then DROP it when you get it (assuming you are on a plane where dropping is an option right now, like the 727). Still lets the person KNOW you KNOW, but gives them an out to do the right thing.
If they continue to keep DPs...they will have shown their spots.
And nobody wants to poison the cockpit...but landings are a good tool. However, doesn't work to well when its the captain who picked it up.
If they continue to keep DPs...they will have shown their spots.
And nobody wants to poison the cockpit...but landings are a good tool. However, doesn't work to well when its the captain who picked it up.
10-01-2007 | 04:11 AM
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Last point--question for some of your smart guys... Why is FLL/ATL/DH a DP when BOS/IND/MEM isn't? Both work about the same times, have a miserablely short layover at a bad time--but it seems to me for a guy living in the south that pairing would not be the WORST pairing in the bidpack, and it certainly isnt' worse than that horrible BOS/IND thing.
I ain't flyin' either one--at least voluntarily...
I ain't flyin' either one--at least voluntarily...
10-01-2007 | 04:59 AM
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Before you DROP a trip that isn't a DP...call one of these guys and offer it to him for his trip...then DROP it when you get it (assuming you are on a plane where dropping is an option right now, like the 727). Still lets the person KNOW you KNOW, but gives them an out to do the right thing.
10-01-2007 | 05:12 AM
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Tell you what...I flew that ind, iad, ewr debacle last week (off reserve) and I wouldn't wish that amount of pain on my worst enemy. I've never been more tired. Funny thing is, both the Capt and FO had pickup the trip up in open time. I don't get it
10-01-2007 | 05:38 AM
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Being flown for 3 months as a DP would not make a trip "not disputable". Its if the trip has been flown for 3 months prior to the dispute being filed. Once disputed the trip will remain disputed until resolved or withdrawn.
10-01-2007 | 09:49 AM
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Can you say "knuckleheads"!?
10-01-2007 | 09:58 AM
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What you didn't say is that if a Disputed Pairing keeps getting voluntarily flown the SIG has little choice but to cease the dispute since there is no support from the line in the eyes of Management.
It only takes a few Non Team players to get a dispute overturned or "withdrawn" as you put it.
When the SIG disputes a Pairing they are essentially telling or asking the line pilots:
"Is this the norm everyone wants to see in our pairings from now on?"
By guys flying disputed pairings voluntarily they are in essence saying:
"Yes we want to see all pairings built this way."
Don't voluntarily fly a disputed pairing period. even if it has that cherry Deadhead or layover in a specific city.
10-01-2007 | 10:16 AM
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Little known fact...
The original "intent" of the disputed pairing process was that when a pairing was disputed, it would not be advertised as disputed. It would be put in open time, just like any other trip. And, it would be picked up, or not, based on it's own merits. If it regularly stayed in open time, we'd win our argument.
Can you imagine? We can't even get these knuckleheads to not fly them, knowing that they are disputed.
The original "intent" of the disputed pairing process was that when a pairing was disputed, it would not be advertised as disputed. It would be put in open time, just like any other trip. And, it would be picked up, or not, based on it's own merits. If it regularly stayed in open time, we'd win our argument.
Can you imagine? We can't even get these knuckleheads to not fly them, knowing that they are disputed.
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