727 Disputed pairings
10-06-2007, 03:03 AM
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727 Disputed pairings
Good day fellow FedEx crew-members, Due to my frustration with tracking and continually seeing some 727 crew-members volunteer to fly disputed pairings I've decided to post this list. By posting these names some of us reading this forum may recognize one or more of these names and can give our peers a call and attempt to explain the damage they are doing by willingly flying these trips. Maybe they will listen to a friend. At a minimum it makes it very difficult for our scheduling committees to grieve one of these trips if the crew-members are voluntarily picking them up in open time. Can you just hear "O" asking the union "why are pilots asking to fly this trip if it is so unsafe"? Good question.
Please keep in mind that if the trip is assigned to a pilot sitting reserve then that pilot has no choice but to fly the trip. Please be professional and diplomatic when you speak with your peers. This is not an attempt to bash these pilots just a simple way to get the word out about the harm that is being caused by flying disputed pairings.
Please keep in mind that if the trip is assigned to a pilot sitting reserve then that pilot has no choice but to fly the trip. Please be professional and diplomatic when you speak with your peers. This is not an attempt to bash these pilots just a simple way to get the word out about the harm that is being caused by flying disputed pairings.
Last edited by BonesF15; 10-06-2007 at 05:01 AM. Reason: Posting personal information
10-06-2007, 04:01 AM
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Dear CaptainGator,
I think you are wrong for posting names and employees number on the internet. You should worry more about the security/privacy of the pilot group that you appear to hold oh so dear to your heart (you don't have any MD-11 FOMs for sale on eBay do you?) and less about losers flying disputed pairings!
Why do you call each person YOURSELF? You know where to get the numbers!!
Why don't you post YOUR NAME AND NUMBER so when one calls these fellows, they can say from whom the info was obtained!!!
Moderator, please remove this post.
I think you are wrong for posting names and employees number on the internet. You should worry more about the security/privacy of the pilot group that you appear to hold oh so dear to your heart (you don't have any MD-11 FOMs for sale on eBay do you?) and less about losers flying disputed pairings!
Why do you call each person YOURSELF? You know where to get the numbers!!
Why don't you post YOUR NAME AND NUMBER so when one calls these fellows, they can say from whom the info was obtained!!!
Moderator, please remove this post.
Last edited by magic rat; 10-06-2007 at 04:13 AM.
10-06-2007, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by magic rat
Dear CaptainGator,
I think you are an A$$ for posting names and employees number on the internet. You should worry more about the security/privacy of the pilot group that you appear to hold oh so dear to your heart (you don't have any MD-11 FOMs for sale do you?) and less about losers flying disputed pairings!
I think you are an A$$ for posting names and employees number on the internet. You should worry more about the security/privacy of the pilot group that you appear to hold oh so dear to your heart (you don't have any MD-11 FOMs for sale do you?) and less about losers flying disputed pairings!
10-06-2007, 05:01 AM
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Whoa now MagicRat, first of all any of these pairings and pilots names can be obtained from VIPS by anyone who wants. And Bitme, not all these pilots are scum. I've called friends I knew and once they had it explained to them the disputed pairing process and how it hurts our scheduling committee and fellow pilots most gladly dropped the trips. Heck, I accidentally picked one up once (then dropped it). I tried to be as diplomatic as I could and am simply giving out information that be can obtained by anyone and putting it in one place where it will provide the greatest opportunity for education.
By the way...I do not get paid to work for the union. Just a line pilot.
By the way...I do not get paid to work for the union. Just a line pilot.
Last edited by CaptainGator; 10-06-2007 at 05:03 AM. Reason: grammar
10-06-2007, 05:42 AM
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I am sure Gator meant well by highlighting the greedy back-stabbers that choose to undermine the SIG and fly this trash but we can't post personal information on a public web site.
In the past guys have posted links to the disputed pairings that required VIPS access to view the info. This made it easy to view the disputed pairings and the offenders but kept the personal information off the web.
If the majority of us would take the time and effort to confront the folks we know personally then DP's wouldn't be a problem.
In the past guys have posted links to the disputed pairings that required VIPS access to view the info. This made it easy to view the disputed pairings and the offenders but kept the personal information off the web.
If the majority of us would take the time and effort to confront the folks we know personally then DP's wouldn't be a problem.
10-06-2007, 05:54 AM
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While I agree that flying DPs needs to be addressed, putting these names on the internet does only a few things...
1. It gets the moderators busy as they remove names as soon as they seem them
2. It gets FDX management involved as they will try to find out who posted them
I think a phone call or considerate, professional email stating you know its probably an oversight, BUT the work of the SIG is important, etc etc is a better method.
Like Bones said--if you WANT to call out someone then post the pairing/date. That is easy enough to look up in VIPs.
1. It gets the moderators busy as they remove names as soon as they seem them
2. It gets FDX management involved as they will try to find out who posted them
I think a phone call or considerate, professional email stating you know its probably an oversight, BUT the work of the SIG is important, etc etc is a better method.
Like Bones said--if you WANT to call out someone then post the pairing/date. That is easy enough to look up in VIPs.
10-06-2007, 06:21 AM
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How about we post their names in pig latin?
DXlagfay
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Sorry I signed on to late to see the good stuff.
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Albie I am new to this R-24 thing (it really sucks). When and how do they usually tell you when your 1-7 is here?
DXlagfay
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Sorry I signed on to late to see the good stuff.
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Albie I am new to this R-24 thing (it really sucks). When and how do they usually tell you when your 1-7 is here?
10-06-2007, 06:30 AM
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Or........
Originally Posted by Albief15
While I agree that flying DPs needs to be addressed, putting these names on the internet does only a few things...
1. It gets the moderators busy as they remove names as soon as they seem them
2. It gets FDX management involved as they will try to find out who posted them
I think a phone call or considerate, professional email stating you know its probably an oversight, BUT the work of the SIG is important, etc etc is a better method.
Like Bones said--if you WANT to call out someone then post the pairing/date. That is easy enough to look up in VIPs.
1. It gets the moderators busy as they remove names as soon as they seem them
2. It gets FDX management involved as they will try to find out who posted them
I think a phone call or considerate, professional email stating you know its probably an oversight, BUT the work of the SIG is important, etc etc is a better method.
Like Bones said--if you WANT to call out someone then post the pairing/date. That is easy enough to look up in VIPs.
Then post something on here notifying everyone to go read the other forum.
Names can be (and are) used there.
I agree it is frustrating.
Keeping it in-house is probably a better approach though - don't you think?
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