Hey Atlas guys.... (UPS)
#21
UPS has a bad history of this (Challenge Air). In this case though, we would need the pilots. No way we would be able to train 600 replacements in the year that our contract allows them to operate a purchased airline seperatly.
#23
That's the only part of your post that is true. We were told, waive scope or we will do it for you in court using a 1159 proviso of the BK. The reason AMR bankrupted TWA was to eject Uncle Carl and dissolve our contracts.
We were promised by Con Carty that by waiving scope we'd get a "better deal"...so much for those apples.
When the day is done and Happy Hour ends, it would not have made a bit a difference if we waived scope or had a judge waive it for us days later. Just my opinion from actually being there. Personally, I would have fought it to the bitter end, but it would have been a futile fight in the court system.
Really not sure how the whole TWA thing relates to UPS and Atlas, quite frankly. I think a better barometer would be Polar and Atlas.
Just my humble opinion.
FF
We were promised by Con Carty that by waiving scope we'd get a "better deal"...so much for those apples.
When the day is done and Happy Hour ends, it would not have made a bit a difference if we waived scope or had a judge waive it for us days later. Just my opinion from actually being there. Personally, I would have fought it to the bitter end, but it would have been a futile fight in the court system.
Really not sure how the whole TWA thing relates to UPS and Atlas, quite frankly. I think a better barometer would be Polar and Atlas.
Just my humble opinion.
FF
#24
A lot of good folks over at Atlas. Hate to see the pilots of Big Brown get the same reputation as the pilots over at American when it comes to mergers.
#26
Unrelated News
Atlas Air, Inc. Wins Air Force One Training Contract
Monday October 8, 8:45 am ET Atlas to Provide Training for Air Force One Pilots and Flight Engineers under a Five-Year Contract
PURCHASE, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (AAWW) (Nasdaq: AAWW - News), a leading provider of global air cargo services, today announced that its subsidiary, Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas), has been awarded a five-year contract from the U.S. Air Force to provide flight training for the Air Force pilots and flight engineers who fly the President's aircraft, Air Force One.
William J. Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer of AAWW, said, "We are excited that the Air Force has selected our state-of-the art training facilities and services for training the elite group of Air Force pilots and flight engineers appointed to fly Air Force One. As the largest operator of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft, Atlas is an established leader in the worldwide cargo industry and a major provider of air freight lift to the military. This exclusive contract further recognizes the commitment and quality that Atlas provides in everything we do."
All training will take place at the Atlas Air Training Center in Miami, Fla., and will cover the full spectrum of ground school and simulator training necessary to fully qualify these crew members to fly Air Force One, a Boeing 747-200 aircraft. Atlas will also provide annual recurrent training, and additional simulator time as requested by the Air Force.
Mr. Flynn added, "This is an accomplishment for our company and something about which all of our employees can be very proud."
About Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc.:
AAWW is the parent company of Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas) and the majority shareholder of Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. (Polar). Through Atlas and Polar, AAWW operates the world's largest fleet of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft.
Atlas and Polar offer a range of air cargo services that include ACMI aircraft leasing - in which customers receive a dedicated aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance on a long-term lease basis - cargo charters, military charters, scheduled air cargo service, and dry-leasing of aircraft.
AAWW's press releases, SEC filings and other information can be accessed through the Company's home page, www.atlasair.com.
Monday October 8, 8:45 am ET Atlas to Provide Training for Air Force One Pilots and Flight Engineers under a Five-Year Contract
PURCHASE, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (AAWW) (Nasdaq: AAWW - News), a leading provider of global air cargo services, today announced that its subsidiary, Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas), has been awarded a five-year contract from the U.S. Air Force to provide flight training for the Air Force pilots and flight engineers who fly the President's aircraft, Air Force One.
William J. Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer of AAWW, said, "We are excited that the Air Force has selected our state-of-the art training facilities and services for training the elite group of Air Force pilots and flight engineers appointed to fly Air Force One. As the largest operator of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft, Atlas is an established leader in the worldwide cargo industry and a major provider of air freight lift to the military. This exclusive contract further recognizes the commitment and quality that Atlas provides in everything we do."
All training will take place at the Atlas Air Training Center in Miami, Fla., and will cover the full spectrum of ground school and simulator training necessary to fully qualify these crew members to fly Air Force One, a Boeing 747-200 aircraft. Atlas will also provide annual recurrent training, and additional simulator time as requested by the Air Force.
Mr. Flynn added, "This is an accomplishment for our company and something about which all of our employees can be very proud."
About Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc.:
AAWW is the parent company of Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas) and the majority shareholder of Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. (Polar). Through Atlas and Polar, AAWW operates the world's largest fleet of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft.
Atlas and Polar offer a range of air cargo services that include ACMI aircraft leasing - in which customers receive a dedicated aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance on a long-term lease basis - cargo charters, military charters, scheduled air cargo service, and dry-leasing of aircraft.
AAWW's press releases, SEC filings and other information can be accessed through the Company's home page, www.atlasair.com.
#27
Unfortunately, that's not the way UPS sees it. Probably the best the Atlas guys could look forward to is some type of preferential interview.
#28
Atlas Air, Inc. Wins Air Force One Training Contract
Monday October 8, 8:45 am ET Atlas to Provide Training for Air Force One Pilots and Flight Engineers under a Five-Year Contract
PURCHASE, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (AAWW) (Nasdaq: AAWW - News), a leading provider of global air cargo services, today announced that its subsidiary, Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas), has been awarded a five-year contract from the U.S. Air Force to provide flight training for the Air Force pilots and flight engineers who fly the President's aircraft, Air Force One.
William J. Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer of AAWW, said, "We are excited that the Air Force has selected our state-of-the art training facilities and services for training the elite group of Air Force pilots and flight engineers appointed to fly Air Force One. As the largest operator of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft, Atlas is an established leader in the worldwide cargo industry and a major provider of air freight lift to the military. This exclusive contract further recognizes the commitment and quality that Atlas provides in everything we do."
All training will take place at the Atlas Air Training Center in Miami, Fla., and will cover the full spectrum of ground school and simulator training necessary to fully qualify these crew members to fly Air Force One, a Boeing 747-200 aircraft. Atlas will also provide annual recurrent training, and additional simulator time as requested by the Air Force.
Mr. Flynn added, "This is an accomplishment for our company and something about which all of our employees can be very proud."
About Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc.:
AAWW is the parent company of Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas) and the majority shareholder of Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. (Polar). Through Atlas and Polar, AAWW operates the world's largest fleet of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft.
Atlas and Polar offer a range of air cargo services that include ACMI aircraft leasing - in which customers receive a dedicated aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance on a long-term lease basis - cargo charters, military charters, scheduled air cargo service, and dry-leasing of aircraft.
AAWW's press releases, SEC filings and other information can be accessed through the Company's home page, www.atlasair.com.
Monday October 8, 8:45 am ET Atlas to Provide Training for Air Force One Pilots and Flight Engineers under a Five-Year Contract
PURCHASE, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (AAWW) (Nasdaq: AAWW - News), a leading provider of global air cargo services, today announced that its subsidiary, Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas), has been awarded a five-year contract from the U.S. Air Force to provide flight training for the Air Force pilots and flight engineers who fly the President's aircraft, Air Force One.
William J. Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer of AAWW, said, "We are excited that the Air Force has selected our state-of-the art training facilities and services for training the elite group of Air Force pilots and flight engineers appointed to fly Air Force One. As the largest operator of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft, Atlas is an established leader in the worldwide cargo industry and a major provider of air freight lift to the military. This exclusive contract further recognizes the commitment and quality that Atlas provides in everything we do."
All training will take place at the Atlas Air Training Center in Miami, Fla., and will cover the full spectrum of ground school and simulator training necessary to fully qualify these crew members to fly Air Force One, a Boeing 747-200 aircraft. Atlas will also provide annual recurrent training, and additional simulator time as requested by the Air Force.
Mr. Flynn added, "This is an accomplishment for our company and something about which all of our employees can be very proud."
About Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc.:
AAWW is the parent company of Atlas Air, Inc. (Atlas) and the majority shareholder of Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc. (Polar). Through Atlas and Polar, AAWW operates the world's largest fleet of Boeing 747 freighter aircraft.
Atlas and Polar offer a range of air cargo services that include ACMI aircraft leasing - in which customers receive a dedicated aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance on a long-term lease basis - cargo charters, military charters, scheduled air cargo service, and dry-leasing of aircraft.
AAWW's press releases, SEC filings and other information can be accessed through the Company's home page, www.atlasair.com.
UPS has the contract to train USAF C-32 (757) pilots. So this is another natural fit.
#29
UPS management has all the say in any forthcoming deal. Since you are junior here, would you want those Atlas guys to come in ahead of you knowing that most of them want a job here anyway buyout or not, and are willing to come here at the bottom of the seniority list as a newhire?
#30
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 462
FBW,
Do you work for UPS or Atlas? Granted the work environment at Atlas is not the same as UPS, but it does not mean that EVERYONE at Atlas wants to jump ship to UPS. Its not like Atlas is in bankruptcy and NEEDs someone to rescue them.
Do you work for UPS or Atlas? Granted the work environment at Atlas is not the same as UPS, but it does not mean that EVERYONE at Atlas wants to jump ship to UPS. Its not like Atlas is in bankruptcy and NEEDs someone to rescue them.
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